>>PS: If your last post was any guide, put your next one in conflicts and save the BMs the trouble of moving it for you.

So you go and cry about the thread to the BM's? Hence the reason I don't post much on the boards, waaaa....it's conflict, move it, waaaa....

It's the same thing with the game itself, and gweths, and everything else, you don't like it, just ignore it.

Okay. Since you asked so politely, I'll tell you.

The efficiency which I was referring to was the efficiency of learning on an individual creature.

When you are in a swarming area, there is really no need to wring every last bit of experience out of a creature. In fact, taking extra time to kill monsters can be dangerous. Sure, dropping casts of 4 mana GZs will probably get me more experience from an individualcreature, but (hypothetical numbers) if it takes me 5 casts to drop a critter using 4 mana, and only one cast to drop a critter using 20 mana, and there are 5-6 creatures in the room, it's not in my best interests to spend the 15-20 seconds (more, depending on lag) to drop five casts. If I were a premium user, maybe I could do it faster, but I have to worry about type-ahead lines.

When there's only one critter, I don't generally use GZ.

Feel enlightened yet? Good, because I'm done explaining myself. If you have any more insulting replies, I'll answer them in conflicts. Otherwise, I'm done with this thread.

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>Feel enlightened yet?

Not really, still sounds like the typical definition of effciency to me.


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Barbs have BMR.
MM have 2 good magic barrier spells.
Paladins have SP.
WMs have AC (which is great, don't get me wrong).

There's the mana thing too. You can load an arrow and shoot all day long.

I think it would be cool if barrier spells and BMR had a lot less pronounced affect on TM. It would be cool if it always worked, like a ranged weapon does. I mean, even CL is pretty easily neutered (heh heh, my roommate's dog "Tank" got neutered last week...I make fun of him now) by ES/SD.

Tessaa

VOI is nice, if you don't want to blow stuff up. Just like AC its destroyed the second you cast offensive spells, and then leaves you defensless. It also only works on 1 attack. Anyone heading to the warmie shop above theren seords, prolly will get triple lightning bolted, like I was last time I tried to get there. Amazing that 3 of them can snap LB in unison just walking into a room.

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I was using the move command? thats about as fast as you can move through rooms... I would have hid and stalk, but tert stuff that will save your life.

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>Creatures (outcasts included) are part of the server or something. I'm not a computer person, but I think this means that they automaticly go first.

This is seen in those wonderful occurances that I like to call pre-death. More specifically, it's when you enter the command to move north, say, and see that you're dead before you even arrive at your northern destination.

~Aramil Galanodel

So any ideas where to train TM at about 650 ranks other then flex critters or malachatta?

gz or cl on westies works nicely with 720 tm especially since ssra was nice enough to fix them... THX SSRA <3

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I played a MM primary for about 55 circles. I've also played other MMs along the way (one in TF to almost 30, one in prime to mid 20s, etc.)

I've only played a few newb clerics. So I don't know much about clerics.

However, I think clerics get mana boosts too. From devotion? and maybe other stuff?

Smegul used to claim that base mana for clerics was lower.

However, if base holy mana is about the same as base elemental mana (because the world builder people don't assign mana to rooms, I think it's done at least partly automaticly) then their mana boosting stuff could help to overcome the discrepancy in strength from TM spells also.

To be honest, it's an issue I bet the GMs have considered. Just tossing out random things I was thinking about.

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>>I was kind of curious about the way TM works. I read a while ago that it is comparable to a weapon skill. I know with weapons you gain more exp from harder hits.

>>So my question is this: Do we gain more exp with a crit that does more damage or one that is more accurate (target critter chest for instance)? Or do they both play an equal role in the amount of experience gained for a successful hit?

TM has some odd rules for learening, unlike weapons, but we won't go into that area. ;)

Like weapons, you don't gain any extra experience for specifically targetting an area, so the main benefit, if you can hit the area consistently, would be strategic, either destroyed limbs to disarm, or a vital area for quicker kills.

From my experience, and what others have posted, it seems that TM experience is based on vitality damage still, rather than gaining extra experience for critical hit kills, so killing your target via vitality damage would probably teach best.

Which is also why, even now, plinking still teaches better, overall, than quick kills, since you can get the experience from taking away vitality that has regenerated as well as from damaging it the first time.

I believe that weapons work that way, as well, where experience seems to be based on vitality damage, rather than the actual kill itself.

~Kyn (Kynevon)

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Best way for me to train TM is to kill as many things while using the least amount of mana. Fire Rain rocks for this. One cast at 44 mana and I can kill everything in the room.

Trebber

I am not sure what level of critters you are hunting, but Garzeng is still mindlocking my target very easily at 290's target. I simply use minimum prep, target, cast, rapid firing as fast as I can until the critter is dead. The biggest trick to locking target I have found is finding one that is difficult enough to train.

Both Fire Rain and Chain lighting also seem to train very well.
Wabo

>>I am not sure what level of critters you are hunting,

Im still little. Only circle 22. Huntin vipers and serpents and yes GZ does move it pretty well if I connect with three blasts.


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>I was kind of curious about the way TM works. I read a while ago that it is comparable to a weapon skill.

It's the exact same exp system.

>>>TM has some odd rules for learening, unlike weapons, but we won't go into that area. ;)

>>All I can think of is multi-shot TM spells don't let you get overkill, but dual loading will.

Heh. Weapons will work in every room in the game, except where spells like BoT block 'em; mana (for non-MMs) can vary widely within an area, including rooms with no mana, where you can't use any spell.

As an example, I just started hunting in the beginning area of bone wolves, and there is only one room in that first area with tolerable mana, faintly glowing streams, while there is one room with vague streams (next to none), 4 rooms with hazy streams, and 4 rooms with dimly flikering streams. And that is with 169 ranks of Power Perception.

0 x none
1 x vague streams
4 x hazy streams
4 x dimly flickering streams
1 x flickering streams
2 x shimmering streams
0 x slowly pulsating streams
1 x pulsating streams
1 x quickly pulsating streams
1 x faintly glowing streams
0 x glowing streams and above

16 rooms, over 50% of them with minimal elemental mana. :( Under 25% with barely tolerable mana.

It is only because plinking still teaches, that I am able to learn TM in that area. Not even counting that the vague room appears to be one of the creature generation rooms.

~Kyn (Kynevon)

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er, i guess mine wouldn't be a difference between the exp systems either. still get same exp damage for damage, guess that's a difference between how ranged and magic multi shot work, not the exp system. So, um, i guess their exp systems are pretty much the same I bet.