other guilds getting hundreds at a time aint gonna be any ideas left for us, widowmaker was one of the main ones i was hopin for that i saw suggested but now i see barbs with it :(

If you ask me too many guild only titles now the general ones are way behind, the entire point of skill based is gone if every guild has 300 titles and only 200 possible all guild ones

we dont technically have a gm tho we aint gonna get titles prolly, i dont think any guild should have 300 but im also kinda mad they got widowmaker over us when we suggested it too and have way less. I think by the time we get a gm tho there will be no good titles left except stealth versions of other guilds like shadow savage and nonsense

>>Anyone else notice the glaring difference in reqs here? How come these two have such ridiculously low stealing requirements in comparison to the other reqs? The only people who wouldn't be qualified for this by the time they have the neccessary weapon and armor reqs would be pallies...

They're converted barbarian titles so they were combat oriented over theft oriented and were then converted to skill and not guild.

I don't meet the stealing requirements either since Navak doesn't steal and stealing hasn't been teachable for a long time now.

I am --- Navak

prolly but you would need a ton of stuff since we need more then them to get same title, i still wish weapon counted as weapon if you had the weapon. Kinda silly if i have 400 weapon i can only get 200 weapon titles cause my BS is lower and it has to be 125%


Im just wondering the point to skill based titles if every guild is gonna fight for hundreds of new ones and no new general ones. the reason pillager was made for everyone is cause thats the point of skill based titles.Each guild was sposed to keep a few not 90%


Also assassian shouldnt need any more stealing then a pillager

They no longer have Nightmare. They have nightmare beserker instead or something. I'm happy about that as a survival prime. No more 15th circle barbarians wandering around with one of the best stealth titles.

~ Tender Infiltrator Purehand Woundedlife, Co-Pay Enforcer of Elanthia.

>>Thieves have the most title choices IG period. General and then some but no one is ever really happy. The way i understand pretend titles to work is a good way for them to work.<<

That's not entirely true. The title system is still in transition. Once it goes back the way it will... we'll have the same amount of titles as any other guild... except, none of them will be our own.

It's not at all about the number of titles.

Besides... if I choose moon mage, I still can't choose astrology titles. Or if I choose war mage, I can't get some magic titles. So... we technically don't even have all the titles of the guild we choose.

But anyways, if you feel that way. Good on you.

-Wighten

i want the titles that come out after there aren't any left. it's when they get good/original

Oh, I wasn't meaning that there was an adequate selection, or even more then you have fingers. Just that theres apparently nothing wrong with having thief only titles.

Thieves could definately use more titles. Also, fake guild post titles would be good too.

heres the barb ones i can get with 32 charisma


not sure which ones use charisma

Initiate Barbarian, Apprentice Barbarian, Journeyman Barbarian, Barbarian, Expert Barbarian, Master Barbarian, Grand Master Barbarian, Beast, Brute, Savage, Berserker, Marauder, War Hawk, Wildman, Rune Crusher, Wand Breaker, Spell Shunt, Commando, Bully, Goon, War Pup, War Dog, Bloodbeast, Stone Warrior, Fright, Bloodboiler, Deathwind, Strong Arm, Browbeater, Menace, Ally, Motivator, Inspirer, Battle Grace, Combatant, Battle Eye, Tenacious, Oaken, Aggressor, Avenger, Wolverine, Boar, Centaur, Furious, Deadly, Grim, Heartbreaker, Magic Bane, Cannon Fodder, Battler, Sapper, Conscript, War Painter, Asphyxiator, Neck Snapper

I still want box-popping titles!!! <shakes fist>


Happiness stems only from violence. - The Stock
It's like putting a band-aid on cancer. - Philip Anselmo

Ally, Motivator, Inspirer -> titles for having 1, 2, and 3 battle cries

Bloodbeast, Stone Warrior, Fright, Bloodboiler, Deathwind -> Berserks up through 35th circle

Wolverine, Boar, Centaur, Furious, Deadly, Grim, Heartbreaker, Magic Bane -> roar

So, 11 roars I think if I'm right and haven't repeated something. 115th circle equivalent.

So I think roars are setup similar to dances/berserks. They did post that there are now multiple titles for roars/berserks. Like a base title which just requires the berserk/dance/roar and additional titles which have extra requirements on top of that. Not sure if that means charisma + extra stuff or just extra charisma. I think probably charisma + skills.

I am --- Navak

>wish theyd post the reqs way too much guess work on charisma titles and such, paladin ones tell ya exactly how much but thief ones to replace dances roars and spells are all just guess work :(

Before the new batch of titles, the berserk titles seemed based on every fifth point in charisma, i.e. 20 for Bloodboiler, 25 for Deathwind, 30 for Ironman/Ironwoman. Dragon Fighter was 30 and Trance Warrior was 40 I believe. It was encouraging that there did seem to be a method to the madness.

>So I think roars are setup similar to dances/berserks. They did post that there are now multiple titles for roars/berserks. Like a base title which just requires the berserk/dance/roar and additional titles which have extra requirements on top of that. Not sure if that means charisma + extra stuff or just extra charisma. I think probably charisma + skills.

I'd wager that it's been adjusted to charisma + skills, like you said. This is the only explanation I can think of for why I suddenly lost Deathwind, Ironwoman, and Dragon Fighter with 30 charisma, when I had all three before the change. So now, not only are there hidden charisma reqs, but there are possibly hidden skill reqs, too? Joy.

I would also like to see some of the fake reqs posted sometime in the future. I don't think it's too much to ask for at least SOMETHING to help guide us in the right direction, especially since the old information (Dragon Fighter being 30 charisma, per Risek) is not accurate anymore. I can understand adding new titles, but taking them away after we've had them for a while? Come on. All this pointless secrecy is starting to wear me a little thin.



-Pythea-

"This is a community. It's not just a game." - Ssra

i still showing deathwind, dragon fighter, etc among my barb-pretends.

I do concur that all the requirements for all titles should be listed on the website.





"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."

I think the question was... did you change the required amount just recently?

Well, I guess if you look at it from a certain angle, squint your eyes a bit, and then tilt your head slightly to the left, it sort of makes sense.

Since you would be pretending to be something that you are not, then you'd have to be a very charismatic individual in order to keep people from catching on that you don't have such-and-such abilities at all.

Do we like it being that high for a stat that we aren't very fond of? Probably not, but you have to give a little to get a little... Though I would say that 50+ charisma is a bit more than a little. o_O;;


Happiness stems only from violence. - The Stock
It's like putting a band-aid on cancer. - Philip Anselmo

There Z goes again, dropping hints. Anyways, I think that charisma should definitely be involved in how well you can pretend to be something else. It just makes sense, a more charismatic person would be able to fool people into believe he is something he is not. Sure, some of the higher titles have extremely stiff reqs, I might even be willing to say they are a little too high, but charisma still needs to be a part of the system.


Elusive

I agree with the blind requirements, lets have an accurate webpage resource that doesnt require us to guess what we need to have. The percentage of skills for pretend titles is something Im in the grey about. It works great for low levels, but is extremely difficult to work with at high levels of ranks. However, this is probably the intent and I see no way for fixing it without making the system overly complicated. Perhaps allowing charisma to reduce the percentage of proxy skills needed would alleviate the problem without giving away titles jealously guarded by the guilds too easily?


Elusive

Hopefully youll give us stat vs stat charisma based things like barbs and all magic guilds have. Then it would be as useful as us as it is to them :P


Until then we are the least charisma using guild by far

>Almost universally among guilds, Charisma is used in place of most guild-only skills/abilities.

>That being said, for some of the high-level titles, it takes a lot of Charisma. In excess of 50. Talking about 80+ Circle titles.

Thank you for your response. I have no problem that the dance/berserk/roar/whatever titles have high charisma reqs. I appreciate the clarification about the higher level titles despite already having assumed this was the case.

However, this still doesn't answer my question about how I lost three titles that were circles 35, 50, and 60 equivalents respectively. Dragon Fighter was specifically posted by GM Risek as having a req of 30 charisma, and I know from training charisma from 20 to 30 that I received Deathwind at 25 and Ironwoman at 30. I specifically trained charisma to achieve some of these titles, so I'm a bit distressed (as you can probably tell) that things have changed overnight.


-Pythea-

"This is a community. It's not just a game." - Ssra

yeah, they must have upped the previous charisma - berserk titles for pretend thief. my 40th thief in TF has 20 charisma and doesn't get ANY of the berserk titles listed.





"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."