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>>>>Agonar, apparently taking an uncharacteristic trip to the north, strolls by, winks at Marlena, giggles oddly to himself, and continues his journey onward.

Didn't some GM state that they were going to post the reqs on those after a period of PAFO?


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So, are we still thinking about getting Thief only titles? I think putting all our titles in the criminal folder was pretty lame. I don't mind there being a criminal folder, but I think we should have some guild only titles.

Especially some criminal titles that aren't based off of stealing.

-Wighten

<<Would you rather see the titles and have ?s in place of the reqs>>

Yeah, I'd rather have ?s with the reqs and know the title than the other option of not knowing the title at all.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd love it if you could mention the requirements for the titles, but if that isn't an option than no worries. The ?s with the reqs sounds decent enough.

- Simon

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p.s. not saying agree or disagree. just curious why must be one of those 2 options.

Well, titles are very much like electrons on an atom. But instead of Heisenburg, it's the Solomon PAFO Principle.

-Wighten

<<This would help sort out my problem, because the "showing up on my list" approach doesn't seem to work since the reqs have a tendency to change without us being told.>>

Reqs shouldn't be changing at all. At the very least, if they ARE changed, someone should be letting people know they changed.

Which one(s) supposedly changed?

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<<Reqs shouldn't be changing at all. At the very least, if they ARE changed, someone should be letting people know they changed.>>

<<Which one(s) supposedly changed?>>
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I have no problem that the dance/berserk/roar/whatever titles have high charisma reqs. I appreciate the clarification about the higher level titles despite already having assumed this was the case.

However, this still doesn't answer my question about how I lost three titles that were circles 35, 50, and 60 equivalents respectively. Dragon Fighter was specifically posted by GM Risek as having a req of 30 charisma, and I know from training charisma from 20 to 30 that I received Deathwind at 25 and Ironwoman at 30. I specifically trained charisma to achieve some of these titles, so I'm a bit distressed (as you can probably tell) that things have changed overnight.

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thanks for reply.

yeah not announcing a few here and there could be OK too I guess. I agree about some things need to be unknown. Yes certainly keeps the 'magic' around.

<<However, this still doesn't answer my question about how I lost three titles that were circles 35, 50, and 60 equivalents respectively. Dragon Fighter was specifically posted by GM Risek as having a req of 30 charisma, and I know from training charisma from 20 to 30 that I received Deathwind at 25 and Ironwoman at 30. I specifically trained charisma to achieve some of these titles, so I'm a bit distressed (as you can probably tell) that things have changed overnight.>>

Going to have to look into this one, but as Zeyurn has pointed out, the Charisma won't be a bad thing.

Also got Iayn looking at it too to see what happened.

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<<Can you mention if Dragon Fighter, Ironwoman, or Deathwind have changed as title requirements recently?>>

To my knowledge, no...but that's what I'm asking Iayn about.


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>>In my opinion, there are some things that need to be puzzles or secrets. Its gives people something to discover.

Okay.

>>A challenge to be conquered. When achieved, something to be proud of and wear with a sense of superiority,

What does that have to do with a secret puzzle, though?

>>So you can either know the title and use common sense to try to figure out a) what skills and stats would be needed and b) how much of those skills and stats are needed based on other titles around the one you want....

It would be great to know where a title falls in relation to other titles, but unfortunately they aren't listed in skill order. Take Survival3 for example. Mirage is listed before Silhouette, however it requires a great deal more hiding and stalking.

As far as A goes, using common sense is great until you hit a title like Assassin and then have to figure out how many stealing ranks a man paid to commit murder would need. Same goes for Hitman and Mastermind and Vigilante. None of those titles would, using common sense, ever strike me as needing stealing.

So yes, it would be great if common sense would dictate requirements and if all the titles were listed in order from least ranks to most ranks. However since that is not the case, a bit more information provided for certain titles would be great.


-Teeklin

"You take people, you put them on a journey, you give them peril, you find out who they really are. If there's any kind of fiction better than that, I don't know what it is." -Joss Whedon

>>There are a ton of thief only titles. Just because they don't say "Must Be a Thief" doesn't mean that a title with backstab is any less Thief-only.<<

Sorry, you saying there are a ton doesn't make it true. I counted 10 the last time I counted that include backstab.

Mugger - low level
Cutthroat - low level
Hitman - high level
Assassin - high level
Blackhand - high level
Overlord - very high level
Grandmaster - very high level
Shadow Fighter - mid level
Nightblade - high level
Nightmaster - very high level

And of those titles, only 3 have reqs of less than about 350-400 in skills. So... 3 low and mid level titles, and 7 very upper tier titles. Unless of course this is what you meant by TONS. Please do your research a bit before you correct me.

-Wighten

I still want trade locksmith titles added to the criminal or survival sets because there are only a few available.

If I have to, I'll create a list, input what I think would be acceptable requirements, and then post them on the boards and email them to you, Soloman.

I'm tired of there pretty much only being killer/henchmen titles. We need more variety for the ones who invest so much time as professional box-poppers, besides it would allow more RP opportunities in general.


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>So... 3 low and mid level titles, and 7 very upper tier titles. Unless of course this is what you meant by TONS.

depends how much each title weighs.

heh heh heh

id have more barb titles as a barb right now then i have thief and barb combined as a thief

>>id have more barb titles as a barb right now then i have thief and barb combined as a thief

Not really since once you switched, you would lose a ton of barb titles you have as a thief since you have the equivalent of like 115th circle or more for roar titles alone, and that is with the charisma requirement being messed up.

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Actually, if anyone has any suggestions for new titles, specifically ones that are related to aspects of thiefly ventures OTHER than crime/violence (ie locksmithing type titles, as was just mentioned a couple of posts ago) now would be the time to make them.


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<<Having access to hundreds of circles of roars and berserks is just kind of weird, seeing as you only have to get to something like 30 charisma to have most everything.>>

Care to explain this a little more?

I'm looking at the entire list of live Criminal titles, including the ones (around 100) I'm in the process of speccing out.

Less than 25 of them even use Charisma at all.

Of those 25, 10 of them are new (so you don't even know what they are yet) and 5 of them need more than 30 Charisma (some, significantly more).

So if you are saying that you get hundreds of titles for having 30 charisma, then I'm confused, unless you're just talking about Barbarian titles specifically. And if you are,, I just pulled up a random smattering of Barb/fake Barb titles and the ones I'm seeing either don't use Charisma at all, require more than 30 Charisma, are purely level based, are purely skill based, or a combination.

Clarify for me?


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>>So if you are saying that you get hundreds of titles for having 30 charisma, then I'm confused, unless you're just talking about Barbarian titles specifically. And if you are,, I just pulled up a random smattering of Barb/fake Barb titles and the ones I'm seeing either don't use Charisma at all, require more than 30 Charisma, are purely level based, are purely skill based, or a combination.<<

I was talking about the Roar and Berserk Titles specifically. I know with that new influx of barbarian titles, I got a large amount of the new Roar titles. It just seems odd that they have a much slower progression than we get.

Also compare this with warrior mage spells. We can easily get the Frostbitten title, as it probably only needs 10-15 charisma. However, it's an extremely difficult spell for warrior mages to get because it requires them to have Frostbite and NOT ES.

Basically, Mages and Barbs have to choose the progression of titles based on their progression of abilities. Thieves on the other hand, get access to all of a tiers spells and roars based solely on a static charisma req (for title purposes only).

Again... there's not a great way to fix it. The one that would be the truest to the system, would be to make a Thief choose which way to go. However if he has to pick a certain title, it produces a huge amount of complexity to the system. Basically, a Thief can go from Fire Lion to Water Cabalist instantly.

The least complex way that I could see doing it would be based off a progression of our own abilities, but... our own abilities have a linear progression, so you are just as well off with a charisma req.

So basically, it's a little weird, but I don't see a great way to do it without rewriting Thief abilities or adding a huge amount of complexity where there doesn't need to be one. I'm guessing the best solution is to leave it where it is, and hope people don't really notice when you cycle through 10 titles for roars. Or put up Fire Lion, and then switch it over to Frostbitten.

But on the other hand, it does seem to cheapen titles for other guilds. Fire Lion takes a huge amount of preplanning and dedication to achieve. However, if a Thief has whatever charisma req it requires (25 or 30) they have access to it.

And yet, you can't just leave Thieves out of titles requiring abilities either. I was very much against Team Paladin taking out Soul State titles. (yes, just the 3 of them). I figured there was a better solution, of maybe having to have tanked reputation to achieve Heretic.

Like I said earlier... it just doesn't seem too greatly thought out initially.

-Wighten

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