>>Mrdahjr1971: Forgive me if I have anything wrong but I'm trying to think a little ahead here: When making a holy weapon, if the weapon is swappable HE/2HE, will it work on the entire weapon (both forms)?

You can use swappable weapons and thrown weapons -- just not ranged weapons (bows, crossbows, and slings).

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>>Rhodges232: Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't thrown weapons not quite right in regards to holy weapons? The melee would work, but not the thrown, or has that changed?

I haven't tested that. (My holy weapon is a greatsword.) I'm just going by what I was told when I asked before doing the quest.

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Ahhh, thanks for the update.

<<First, should I wait until I am higher circle, I have heard that the weapon is better if you wait. Is it substantially better and therefore worth the wait, or should I go ahead and get it now?>>

This is now a myth. It was an idea that Raphael kicked around when he was GM, but now means nothing.

<<Second, I have heard that non-forged weapons are best to use (in case of losing it in a crash)>>

It really doesn't matter. The "risk" is the same as losing any forged weapon in a crash--it will be replaced with a standard storebought item. If you're careful, this won't be a problem.

However, don't take your best weapon ever and make it holy. It just isn't worth it right now, especially with the extremely limited strikes and dearth of recharge sites.

Drongol's Player

There are betting storebought or fest type weapons to choose from in the game than that one. The spike hilted is either an invasion or Taisdon quest weapon I believe. Not sure what policy would be on replacing a quest or invasion weapon.

You should plan on a weapon that will be of the weight you can swing at min rt at a strength you project you will have say 10 circles from now. The weight of the weapon plus the impact value will be well worth the longer rts for a short bit.

Since I have no idea of what strength you are now some options to look at would be the SCC falchion or the schiavonna from ratha on the heavy side of things. On the longsword bent I really do like the gleamer from theren. There are also quite a number of fest weapons out there, such as an Onyx broadsword, the outrageously expensive but well worth it blued spiked knuckled broadsword... etc etc. My understanding is that fest type weapons would be replaced identically to what they were, but I suppose some GM clarification of that would be nice.

Daython

You might want to try and see if anyones selling a schiavona from the bard fest, P/H/M F/F 46 stones I think...

>>can a Bastard Sword be used for Holy Weapon?

Any weapon you can hold in your hand and that appraises AS a weapon (ie. No using Juggling Pins which teach HT when brawling since this does not appraise as a weapon with slice/puncture/impact damage stats), can be used as a Holy Weapon by placing said weapon on the altar at the conclusion of the Quest.

Redarch

<<However, don't take your best weapon ever and make it holy.>>

This is a problem for me. My thought of doing the quest was to have your 'best' weapon sanctioned by the gods. Personally I think it should be your best weapon, stats, alteration or RP logic (father's sword, etc) that should be made holy.

I have heard from a few people that the quest conveys no additional benefit from waiting, but that it was wise to wait until about 60th circle as the typical skills of a 50th circle paladin were not up to the task. That the critters would be too difficult and you would expect to lose several weapons in the attempts. Is this essentially correct?

Thanks - Cyllwdd

Thanks for the info. It sounds like the holy weapon would end up in the vault like most of my other 'good' stuff if I took an unreplaceable (or poorly compensated due to loss) item. I'll probably have enough skill by the time I make a decision that I won't have to worry as much about it anyway (slow at weighing factors not fast at circling grin)

<<I hate "find the spot and guess the syntax" quests>>

chuckle

My sentiments exactly.

Cheers - Cyllwdd

Drongol's player wrote in the other topic:

<<The weapon is a TOOL of Chadatru. With enough "power" (does anyone know how to do this), you go above sparks and flares and suchlike. The weapon begins to roar like a lion, cry out for "Justice," and even say the name "Chadatru.">>

In response to this, my Holy sword has always called out to Chadatru. But it does not as yet give off Colored Sparks or say "Justice".

Here is a fairly good example:

Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you step backward and then slice at a pale grey death spirit. A pale grey death spirit fails to dodge, stepping partly into the blow. The sword releases a deafening roar, calling out proudly to Chadatru and lands a massive strike that detonates the spirit's chest into a dazzling shower of brilliant white light.

Now the dazzling shower of brilliant white light is normal with DS if you hit them really well with a blessed weapon. I think.

But this does make me wonder what everyone else's Holy Weapon does. So please post what your sword has been doing.

Just for reference I got my sword at 50th circle and had 30 charisma.

Candidus

<<I see no evidence of any enmity between Kertigan and Chadatru so it is possible that it is fine with them.>>

There's also no evidence whatsoever of any alliance between Kertigen and Chadatru, and furthermore there's no precedent for any "cross-Immortal" abilities whatsoever.

Personally, I'm all for Kertigen's commune being usable. Remember, I play a Paladin of Kertigen. I'm also all for getting rid of the Chadatru-specific aspects of Holy Weapon. If you want to open up the "recharge" aspect of HW to multiple Immortals, you need to open the rest of HW to multiple Immortals.

Drongol's Player

Tyden,

>>perhaps we could just use our renew glyph anytime and have it cost soul power anywhere but one of the designated spots.

While this is an alternative to be considered, personally, I prefer the idea of getting assistance from the Clerics to "refill" my Holy Weapon with Holy Energy. It just seems more appropriate, and I would prefer we not go down the "solo butchers in plate" path we seem to have followed for years. I like the idea of more interaction/assistance between the guilds.

What I didn't like was being "dependent" upon another guild for us to do our "jobs" of combatting chaos/evil.

Redarch

As the subject lines says, I'm gonna dig up this horse and beat it a few more times.

With the potential approval of War Mages "enchanting" weapons to imbue them with certain powers.. see DR-VALDRIK's post in the War Mage folders, I'd like to renew my request for the Holy Weapon to be replaceable. Even make it possible to change your chosen "Holy Weapon" by doing the Quest again and placing a different weapon on the Altar.

Reasoning:A Holy Weapon for Paladins should be a central focus of who and what they are. The image of a Paladin leading forces in battle against evil/undead, with his/her sword flaming and roaring as the battle rages defines us in many eyes.

What we have now, however is, a Holy Weapon that mostly gathers dust in a vault; rarely sees the light of day; almost never gets used in battle. All due to the fear of losing this weapon that may only be obtained once in a lifetime.

With the potential advent of Warrior Mages enchanting blades to flame or do ice damage, etc when swung (great idea by the way and appropriate for the Warrior Mages in my opinion), I can see a time when a paladin that doesn't already HAVE a Holy Weapon, will conciously CHOOSE to skip the Quest, because he/she can buy a good forged blade, buy a potion/spell/whatever from a Warrior Mage, and charge off into battle with a flaming sword, inspiring the troops instead. With the confidence that if by some set of circumstances, the sword is lost, it simply takes more plats to buy replacement blade and potions. And those that HAVE a Holy Weapon will stuff it in the deepest, darkest corner of the vault, there to rust in obscurity forever. I'd really HATE to see all that work on the whole Holy Weapon thing become another "War Horse" that waits in the stables forever.

So, once more, can we PLEASE look at making Holy Weapons replaceable?

Redarch

I have no interest in obtaining a Holy Weapon and waning interest in War horses. Basically for the same reasons: solid idea, fits well with paladins, exciting release, slow development, "soon" fixes and additions, too many seemingly unresolvable restrictions, and the ever popular "guess the syntax" game.

I think lotsa folks like the RP aspect, but are looking for the performance boost as well. Oil and water.

-Slaris

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The one-time only approach is not justified against the limited benefits presently. As a result, increase the 'benefit v. the detriment' or do away with the one-time aspect of the weapon.

That would be a vote in favor of Redarch's proposal for me.

Madigan, of Therengia

I think having a single chance to do something during your entire career in an online game like this is a bad idea. This is the only aspect of the game that characters are only allowed to do once, with the exception of a few grandfathering mechanics, but that's like comparing apples and carburators. A few things may be a huge pain to do again, but it's still possible. Barbarians may eventually get offered the chance to reverse their magic ranks, thus correcting a mistake in the past, and if someone were to choose the wrong spell, they can get it again next slot, but if a paladin were to use the wrong weapon for a HW, they don't get to correct that mistake ever. In a perfect world with no janitor and no game crashes/reboots this may work, but even if you have this thing permenantly affixed to your forehead with the Soddering Iron of Kertigen, there's always a chance to lose it due to things that aren't the paladin's fault.

Steel.

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I also agree that the stats should improve as the paladin grows... essentially making it so a person can enchant a weapon they like the look of and not have to worry about it not having th oomph they might need to be competitive later on.

Deutz

Having just gone through complete mayhem to finish the holy weapon quest myself, I agree with those of you who think that holy weapon should not be a one time only thing. However, some sort of moderation should be necessary, we shouldn't be able to (though I'm sure some would love it) make 100 weapons into holy weapons. Perhaps once every 10 circles, or once a year, or something similar to that.

As for the clerics being able to recharge them I both like and dis-like this idea. I like it because as others have stated, it gives the oppurtunity for great RP, and increases the bond between the two guilds. I dis-like it due to the fact that a number of clerics screamed bloody murder when making the weapon.... more advantageous was discussed. Granted, I'm sure they had their reasons.

It is no easy task achieving the 50th circle, so when we finally make it there and are able to go on this quest... the weapon should be more spectacular than it is. Personally, I think perma-bless would be reasonably fair, despite the arguements to the contrary.

I'm not sure what is currently going on in the great mage planning for the weapon, but I hope there is something planned to improve it. I don't mind having to renew the weapon in Shard, I just think it shouldn't have to be renewed so frequently.

I'm a bit miffed that clerics will likely be able to raise themselves again in the future, but we can't get perma-bless....

As for the idea of war mages enchanting weapons, I love it, have been thinking of it myself for years, I truely appreciate all of the good work the GMs have been doing on behalf of the players recently. But I hope something can be done to improve holy weapons. If not... can we sell the darn things?

I like the idea of being able to get a new holy weapon at the start of every new [IG] year.

Add my name to this pseudo list for the same reason.

But quite frankly, it would be a tool for me. I would be able to put it inside my vault and hook my backpack on it when rummaging through it, freeing both my hands to do my searching...


Ecoles
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