>>Right now, only pressing HW issues are being looked into.

I thought noone feeling secure enough to take advantage of the guild's highest ability made Holy Weapons a very pressing issue overall.

Maybe someday we can place it on any altar in the game and then trace the altar with GoRenew, causing it to be dedicated to the god that the altar is aligned to.

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<<Maybe someday we can place it on any altar in the game and then trace the altar with GoRenew, causing it to be dedicated to the god that the altar is aligned to.>>

Not a bad idea. Maybe in the future. When I do a sweep of holy weapon it's going to be a bug hunt and add a couple minor features.

<<any altar>>

Eh? Definitely not any altar. :P Put it on a negative aspect and I'll have it come to life and cut off your head, then explode killing everyone in gweth range. [cackle]

-Ssra

> Eh? Definitely not any altar. :P Put it on a negative aspect and I'll have it come to life and cut off your head, then explode killing everyone in gweth range. [cackle]


Don't give Blasword ideas.


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<Don't give Blasword ideas.>

Hmm..you know, I have been thinking about trying out plat...

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<<::growls:: nothing wrong with the negative aspects>>

<<Of course not! They only sow the seeds of deceit, destruction and chaos, which we as paladins have no problems with.>>

<<Dandon>>

Ack, yer not supposed to let that be known, how else are we gonna take over all of Elanthia?

Shandarilli,
Paladin of Urrem'tier

Now see, that's a big difference from the previous post on the other thread.

I like this idea, would actually even consider getting a HW.


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I had a few ideas of my own for the holy weapon...

"Then Sir Arthur looked on the sword, and liked it passing well. Whether liketh you better, said Merlin, the sword or the
scabbard? Me liketh better the sword, said Arthur. Ye are more unwise, said Merlin, for the scabbard is worth ten of the swords,
for whiles ye have the scabbard upon you, ye shall never lose no blood, be ye never so sore wounded; therefore keep well the
scabbard always with you." - Le Morte D'Arthur

One of my suggestion was for the addition of a holy scabbard to the holy weapon quest. This scabbard serves two purposes. First, the weapon is bonded to the scabbard so that if the weapon ever leaves the paladin's hands (whether he drops it, dies, is tingled... anything), it sheathes itself, thereby eliminating the fear of losing one's holy weapon forever. Even if the scabbard is not bonded to the paladin itself, how often does someone take off their scabbards? The only concern left is someone trying to steal the scabbard while the paladin is dead so maybe the scabbard at least needs that "You're not my owner! ZAP!" feature.

The second function of the scabbard is mimic its predecessor. Whether on command or as a permanent ability (I favor permanent ability but we have to worry about the other guilds), the scabbard slows down or stops altogether the loss of blood. I'm guessing the code from the Blood Staunch and the new enchantment system could be adapted to achieve that effect. Basically, the scabbard endeavors to protect its wearer and help the paladin do his job of defending the people by cutting back on that annoying blood loss so that he can stand and fight for longer.

On to the weapon itself!

First, remove the entire "if your holy weapon loses all its power, its a normal weapon forever" bit. This is a gift from the gods to the paladin. Somehow, I doubt the gods are so weak that their power is that fleeting or so petty that they make it so that the paladin is punished for using his gift to defend the people. That would be like saying if you ever run out of harness, you can never cast spells again. Huh? Why bother then?

Instead, I propose the holy weapons be perma-blessed (Yes, /permanent./ Hey, we are a holy guild too)and that the holy weapon glyph put power on top of the bless that affects all evil creatures (I still think we need universal soul state). In combat against non-unded, you just get the infusion power. In combat with undead, you get bless + infusion for much merriment. Better yet, since the weapon is permablessed, if the paladin is locked in combat and his holy weapon drains, he can continue to use it to smite those undead that all the gods hate so much. Undead is an affront to the gods and we are the swords and shields of the gods so... Yay! Smite those undead!

As a slight ammendment to FrieDR2003's suggestion, if the weapon is drained of all its holy power, the paladin has the option of tracing the glyph when he is not at a recharge site to feed the weapon his soul power pool. Not his soulstate but his power pool since doing the will of the gods is not an evil act. Then, in a dire situation, he can keep on fighting. To end the power pool feed, he just needs to sheath his holy weapon in the holy scabbard.

End result? You have a weapon paladins can use without fear of losing (thanks to the bonded scabbard), paladins can use without fear of destroying (thanks to no longer being un-holy if drained), that is always useful (thanks to permabless), that adapts to a tough situation (thanks to the power pool feed), and helps with our 'defender of the realms' status (thanks to the scabbard's blood staunch letting us fight against all odds!).

While a "holy scabbard" might make sense for those of us who have a sword as their holy weapon, there are several Paladins with axes, maces, and various other nasty weapons that were never designed to fit into a scabbard.

Additionally, I think the Arthurian reference is just a bit too much. Understand that I graduated with a specialization in Middle English Lit, so I might just be able to catch the reference way too easily, but it seems to me that we might want to do something that's not taken directly from the Round Table.

Drongol's Player


PC also stands for "Paying Customer."

<<One could argue the holy sword idea came from Excalibur.>>

Perhaps. However, Excalibur just so happens to be a sword that's sharp enough to cut through stone, whereas a Holy Weapon hits harder, can strike spirits, and roars out in a god's name.

Honestly, I'm not trying to poke too many holes in your theory. I'm just curious--if someone makes their backpack holy, would it still hold everything it ordinarily does?

Drongol's Player


PC also stands for "Paying Customer."

Ive always thought it would be nice to have a backworn scabbard. This way the swords pommel rides above your shoulder. And as for a Holy container, theres no reason why after completeing the quest you couldnt offer up your own belt, strap,sheath, etc to the gods, have them do their god thing to it, and now it the holy saccbard idea that was presented. This way regardless of what weapon you choose, you will be able to choose an appropriate container to hold it in. This container could be offered for sacrifice much in the same way a favor orb is, only it gets blessed or what have you to become the mate for the holy weapon.

Konnor


"This may be a Fantasy world, but it sure isnt UTOPIA." - Konnor

Keep the ideas coming. I'll save my comments for later so I don't hijack the thread. ;)


/salute

-Ssra

1. Most Important: Get rid of one-time-only clause.
2. Set it up so that its power is not only attributed to Chadatru. Allow fluff messaging for all 13 gods.
3. Allow altars that are designated as favor altars to also be useful as recharge points with the additional ability to switch the weapon fluff messaging from one god to another.
4. Re-evaluate the bond on the weapon. Currently, the idea behind any bond on any item is that it cannot be taken away from the owner, and hence that is why mechanics are in place to either return said item to the owner's hands and/or prevent other people from picking it up. There are however mechanics that conflict with the concept, such as the ability for certain creatures to snatch up weapons, or sometimes snatch weapons right out of someone's hands. Elba Darvagers and Vykathi Reapers are among the most notorious of these critters, although Vykathi Reapers have the added ability of being able to snatch your weapon out of your hand and destroy it all in one message. Scary, huh?
5. After fixing some of the buggy parts of the quest, allow for the quest area to be used as hunting grounds.
6. Add some non-combat fluff verbs to the weapons. Example: pray <weapon> >You grip your <weapon> tightly as you concentrate on the wonder of <name of the god that the weapon is currently attributed to>.
7. Integrate Pilgrim Badges and Holy Weapons in some way so that you can increase the power of the holy weapon by pilgrimaging.
8. I don't know why this happens to be eighth in the list (probably cause i'm just thinking these up as I type) but actually fix the quest so that people who aren't currently already past a certain part of it are the only ones that can complete the quest.
9. Allow for non-combat uses of Holy Weapon. Such uses might include certain small bonuses depending on which of the 13 the weapon is attributed to. Eluned = bonus in swimming. Meraud = Bonus in magic. Damaris = Bonus in evasion. Everild = Bonus in the weapon skill of the weapon. Kertigen = Bonus in appraisal or perhaps a social stat like charisma. Hodierna = bonus in FA and foraging or Vitality. Faenella = extra bonus against undead (Faenella is known to especially hate undead) or bonus to musical skills or a bonus to resisting certain enchantes. Chadatru = bonus to perception and parry. Again, I'm suggesting just small bonuses.
10. Consider seeing about releasing the fixed HW quest through an event involving Maelshyve.
11. Give me money.

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I don't know if its already a feature since i don't have a holy weapon yet, but it would make sense to make the weapon permanently bonded to the paladin during the quest. It would eliminate a lot of problems with the one time only thing.
Ederick

Its semi bonded in the fact others get a stun if they try to pick it up, but doesn't return to your hand.


Samsaren Remlane
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, target practice on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

Good to hear big guy, having you in our corner is a real moral boost.


Samsaren Remlane
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, target practice on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

Good to hear Ssra, that will help, but bonding is only half the battle. I was one of the few that did try to use my holy weapon from time to time and I loved it. But like so many people fear, I actually did lose my holy weapon some time back. We're all human, prone to typos and temporary insanity, and it seems a bit harsh for something so important with so much potential to be lost in a heartbeat. If you're going to leave the one time only thing in, maybe allow those of us who actually did lose our weapon before the new bonding was put in place have a second chance? There can't be tooo many people who actually got their holy weapon and lost it. I know its a long shot, but once you get the bonding fixed up it should make losing the holy weapon much less likely.
thanks,
Sir Khadgarian

My holy weapon seems not to be working this morning. It was the usual silver sparks yesterday. I thought it might be due for a recharge, but I got the "not the correct weapon" message.

Anyone else having issues or is this my own little problem?

Snail

My Holy Weapon is missing, give it back Maece!


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It wont heal if you dont stop picking at it.

with the new changes rolling in on the bastard swords and whatnot will holy weapons be able to be made out of them?


~Larze

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