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The cold damage is awesome. It provides a nice alternative from the types of damage we can already do. While it would be nice if it did some impact or provided additional stun with a dazzle-esque burst when it hit...I think anything else would be pushing it and it's damage currently is great.
SLS is a great spell, it's limitations are it's drawbacks, not the damage type or the amount of damage it produces. You're not receiving the type of "positive feedback" you're looking for because your post was, well, pointless and not constructive in the first place.
-Coralin
HAPLO82
SERC
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 04:27 AM UTC
Okay. I'll bite.
"I was always curious why its cold damage?"
I think the cold damage is to represent the cold of deep space. If I recall correctly the sphere is actualy the cold from between the stars.
"which might burn or blind or intense force of gravity maybe?"
I can see how the light would lead to that, but I think if you consider how stars are generaly refrenced with a cold light rather than a blazing heat of a sun. They may be giant balls of burning gas but thats not the "flavor" of stars.
"your point about unrestricted casting/unconciousness/shelf life"
I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
"Daylight casting"
Is off the table. Which is fine, as long as it's a good argument to implement the other stuff we like. I'm tottaly fine with having abilitys that are only avalible or are much better at night because I joined a guild called MOON mages. I mean, kinda gotta expect a little of that.
"If the orb auto attacked anything which advanced on you, you could just cast an orb, dance, and watch your exp ranks tic."
Yep. It's not as simple as it sounds though. Most MM's have a disparity between their TM skills and defenses. This is likely to leave most only being able to allow things that no longer teach TM to get to melee, or risking death by letting things that teach TM get to melee. Thats not to say this is true for all, but it would definatly be a common situation.
"If im not mistaken interactability with the point and its ominous approach is a rather spooky role play tool to work with."
I disagree. It's approach is slow and the messaging is hardly anything more than "it moved closer". I don't see a huge, or any really, roleplay loss by changing the spheres ponderous advance. Replacing the advance could also be easily written to somthing even more RP tastic.
"And also for it to just respond with a will of its own to attack your enemies? Perhaps if you added the personality of each constelation into its use it would be the best."
You're summoning the deep cold from between stars, not the aspect of the constellation you cast it on. I think expecting an orb to have personality is a bit much. Color is good. If your character has a spesific constellation he likes, have him default to that one. Thats where the RP is.
There is no will of it's own. It's a Sphere of cold you're controlling. If it's auto attacking things at melee with you it's doing exactly the same thing that shear does when you have an offensive spell cast at you. It's responding to the situation it's designed for (assuming the spell is redesigend to behave that way).
"One orb should not have increased damage/duration reducded approach and a self point to audo defend. Do we really need that spell?"
I don't see why not. As it is it's a spell you can never unlearn, have to quest for, be 40th circle, can only use half the time and explodes randomly if the humidity is too high in a room.
"You could have many more role play options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent."
There's roleplay and theres overly complicated. There are a lot of constellations. Thats asking both a lot of the GMs to recode a diffrent spell paramater for each constellation and the players to learn all that if it could all be avalible in one spell.
"You could have many more role play options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent."
I think I understand what you mean by role play options. You like to be able to pick your flavor from spells. I wouldn't want what you're asking for though. I like to pick my style (I prefer CRS over PD) and prefer the flavor to me more like the color or spell prep. I like spells with options but in DR the more choices you have, usualy the worse all of them are. If SLS could survive on cool factor alone we wouldn't be having this thread. SLS is one of the coolest looking MM spells. I just dosn't preform up to snuff right now.
-Serc
"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
"I was always curious why its cold damage?"
I think the cold damage is to represent the cold of deep space. If I recall correctly the sphere is actualy the cold from between the stars.
"which might burn or blind or intense force of gravity maybe?"
I can see how the light would lead to that, but I think if you consider how stars are generaly refrenced with a cold light rather than a blazing heat of a sun. They may be giant balls of burning gas but thats not the "flavor" of stars.
"your point about unrestricted casting/unconciousness/shelf life"
I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
"Daylight casting"
Is off the table. Which is fine, as long as it's a good argument to implement the other stuff we like. I'm tottaly fine with having abilitys that are only avalible or are much better at night because I joined a guild called MOON mages. I mean, kinda gotta expect a little of that.
"If the orb auto attacked anything which advanced on you, you could just cast an orb, dance, and watch your exp ranks tic."
Yep. It's not as simple as it sounds though. Most MM's have a disparity between their TM skills and defenses. This is likely to leave most only being able to allow things that no longer teach TM to get to melee, or risking death by letting things that teach TM get to melee. Thats not to say this is true for all, but it would definatly be a common situation.
"If im not mistaken interactability with the point and its ominous approach is a rather spooky role play tool to work with."
I disagree. It's approach is slow and the messaging is hardly anything more than "it moved closer". I don't see a huge, or any really, roleplay loss by changing the spheres ponderous advance. Replacing the advance could also be easily written to somthing even more RP tastic.
"And also for it to just respond with a will of its own to attack your enemies? Perhaps if you added the personality of each constelation into its use it would be the best."
You're summoning the deep cold from between stars, not the aspect of the constellation you cast it on. I think expecting an orb to have personality is a bit much. Color is good. If your character has a spesific constellation he likes, have him default to that one. Thats where the RP is.
There is no will of it's own. It's a Sphere of cold you're controlling. If it's auto attacking things at melee with you it's doing exactly the same thing that shear does when you have an offensive spell cast at you. It's responding to the situation it's designed for (assuming the spell is redesigend to behave that way).
"One orb should not have increased damage/duration reducded approach and a self point to audo defend. Do we really need that spell?"
I don't see why not. As it is it's a spell you can never unlearn, have to quest for, be 40th circle, can only use half the time and explodes randomly if the humidity is too high in a room.
"You could have many more role play options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent."
There's roleplay and theres overly complicated. There are a lot of constellations. Thats asking both a lot of the GMs to recode a diffrent spell paramater for each constellation and the players to learn all that if it could all be avalible in one spell.
"You could have many more role play options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent."
I think I understand what you mean by role play options. You like to be able to pick your flavor from spells. I wouldn't want what you're asking for though. I like to pick my style (I prefer CRS over PD) and prefer the flavor to me more like the color or spell prep. I like spells with options but in DR the more choices you have, usualy the worse all of them are. If SLS could survive on cool factor alone we wouldn't be having this thread. SLS is one of the coolest looking MM spells. I just dosn't preform up to snuff right now.
-Serc
"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 04:42 AM UTC
"pointless and not constructive in the first place."
And anyone that post's aside from a GM is any different than my post? Me having an oppinion differnt from others is pointless and not constructive in the first place?
As for my post, it speaks on its own and lays forth a very detailed example of what the spell changes could be.
"I think the roleplaying options that different constellations offer (they already do, anyway) are rather limited myself and I would rather see the spell become useful mechanically since it's already got enough style points."
You said in the same statement, I think the roleplaying options that different constelations offer are rather limited myself, and also Its already got enough style points. So your saying limited options offer enough style points? Limited options offer enough mechanics? If you liked the spell for style you would have it reguardless of its power. Do you even have it?
I want the mechanics so I can open up the role play. Why did I have to be corrected on something that has no clear right or wrong? A spell which reacts very obviously function wise based upon the constelation it is cast upon.
That is such a pointless and not constructive in the first place "idea". Such a pointless and not constructive in the first place "post".
Where in my post did I say it was not a great spell? This TOPIC is about people who are not satisfied with the spell!
And as soon as I post my idea people come flying to defend the spell. I just cant understand that logic. Considering many posts on this very subject bash the spell much more than I have. And did not recieve a quarter of this animocity.
All for one with you im sure, why let the new guy shoot some ideas.
And anyone that post's aside from a GM is any different than my post? Me having an oppinion differnt from others is pointless and not constructive in the first place?
As for my post, it speaks on its own and lays forth a very detailed example of what the spell changes could be.
"I think the roleplaying options that different constellations offer (they already do, anyway) are rather limited myself and I would rather see the spell become useful mechanically since it's already got enough style points."
You said in the same statement, I think the roleplaying options that different constelations offer are rather limited myself, and also Its already got enough style points. So your saying limited options offer enough style points? Limited options offer enough mechanics? If you liked the spell for style you would have it reguardless of its power. Do you even have it?
I want the mechanics so I can open up the role play. Why did I have to be corrected on something that has no clear right or wrong? A spell which reacts very obviously function wise based upon the constelation it is cast upon.
That is such a pointless and not constructive in the first place "idea". Such a pointless and not constructive in the first place "post".
Where in my post did I say it was not a great spell? This TOPIC is about people who are not satisfied with the spell!
And as soon as I post my idea people come flying to defend the spell. I just cant understand that logic. Considering many posts on this very subject bash the spell much more than I have. And did not recieve a quarter of this animocity.
All for one with you im sure, why let the new guy shoot some ideas.
VERATHOR
DR-ARMIFER
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 04:52 AM UTC
>>I think the cold damage is to represent the cold of deep space. If I recall correctly the sphere is actualy the cold from between the stars.
Close, but...
>>I can see how the light would lead to that, but I think if you consider how stars are generaly refrenced with a cold light rather than a blazing heat of a sun.
Ding ding ding.
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
Close, but...
>>I can see how the light would lead to that, but I think if you consider how stars are generaly refrenced with a cold light rather than a blazing heat of a sun.
Ding ding ding.
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
ILBB132002
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:04 AM UTC
<<The sun is a star. They are not seperate things.
Ew
Ew
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:05 AM UTC
A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun, which is the source of most of the energy on Earth. Other stars are visible in the night sky, when they are not outshone by the Sun.
ILBB132002
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:05 AM UTC
<<The sun is a star. They are not seperate things.
<sigh>
<sigh>
NJP
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:22 AM UTC
>>A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun, which is the source of most of the energy on Earth. Other stars are visible in the night sky, when they are not outshone by the Sun.
For all everyday practical intents and purposes, from the perspective of a person even here on Earth, the Sun and the stars are completely and utterly different. Sure, science has told us they're the same, we know that and understand it through physics, but that doesn't change the fact that for anybody standing on the surface of the Earth, the effects and repercussions of the existence, condition and positioning of the Sun and the stars almost could not be further apart, all that they share is that they give off light and they exist in what we call the sky. The average person can use solar panels to harness power from the sun, to try and do the same only from the stars would be foolishness. Likewise you can take any ordinary telescope out and observe the stars, but to do the same with the sun would be even more foolish.
It's like comparing the Pacific ocean to a puddle of spittle. Certainly both are made primarily of water, they both exist on the surface of the Earth, if you touch either you'll get wet, but aside from that, you cannot interact with them in the same ways.
That's kind of my take on their difference in application within Moon Magic, when it comes down to what they can do for you on the surface of Elanthia they're just fundamentally different... of course I'm probably all wrong, since I don't keep up well enough with all the lunar magic stuff.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
For all everyday practical intents and purposes, from the perspective of a person even here on Earth, the Sun and the stars are completely and utterly different. Sure, science has told us they're the same, we know that and understand it through physics, but that doesn't change the fact that for anybody standing on the surface of the Earth, the effects and repercussions of the existence, condition and positioning of the Sun and the stars almost could not be further apart, all that they share is that they give off light and they exist in what we call the sky. The average person can use solar panels to harness power from the sun, to try and do the same only from the stars would be foolishness. Likewise you can take any ordinary telescope out and observe the stars, but to do the same with the sun would be even more foolish.
It's like comparing the Pacific ocean to a puddle of spittle. Certainly both are made primarily of water, they both exist on the surface of the Earth, if you touch either you'll get wet, but aside from that, you cannot interact with them in the same ways.
That's kind of my take on their difference in application within Moon Magic, when it comes down to what they can do for you on the surface of Elanthia they're just fundamentally different... of course I'm probably all wrong, since I don't keep up well enough with all the lunar magic stuff.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:31 AM UTC
light is just electro magnetism on a visable sepctrum. light it's self is energy, and therfore mass. Which should reflect heat, impact or some type of blinding affect.
Thats just how I understand it, I really am curious as to why its referred to cold. IF its light from a star, then the magnetism and everything else are there, just on a slight level simmilar to the light.
Thats just how I understand it, I really am curious as to why its referred to cold. IF its light from a star, then the magnetism and everything else are there, just on a slight level simmilar to the light.
NJP
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:41 AM UTC
Real universe physics != Fantasy universe physics
It all boils down to that, don't sweat the small stuff.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
It all boils down to that, don't sweat the small stuff.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
DR-ARMIFER
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 05:49 AM UTC
>>Thats just how I understand it, I really am curious as to why its referred to cold. IF its light from a star, then the magnetism and everything else are there, just on a slight level simmilar to the light.
"Of all the changes of language a traveler in distant lands must face, none equals that which awaits him in the city of Hypatia, because the change regards not words, but things. I entered Hypatia one morning, a magnolia garden was reflected in blue lagoons, I walked among the hedges, sure I would discover young and beautiful ladies bathing; but at the bottom of the water, crabs were biting the eyes of the suicides, stones tied around their necks, their hair green with seaweed.
"I felt cheated and decided to demand justice of the sultan. I climbed the porphyry steps of the palace with the highest domes, I crossed six tiled courtyards with fountains. The central hall was barred by iron gratings: convicts with black chains on their feet were hauling up basalt blocks from a quarry that opened underground.
"I could only question the philosophers. I entered the great library, I became lost among shelves collapsing under the vellum bindings, I followed the alphabetical order of vanishing alphabets, up and down halls, stairs, bridges. In the most remote papyrus cabinet, in a cloud of smoke, the dazed eyes of an adolescent appeared to me, as he lay on a mat, his lips glued to an opium pipe.
"'Where is the sage?'
"The smoker pointed out of the window. It was a garden with children's games: ninepins, a swing, a top. The philosopher was seated on the lawn. He said: 'Signs form a language, but not the one you think you know.'"
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
"Of all the changes of language a traveler in distant lands must face, none equals that which awaits him in the city of Hypatia, because the change regards not words, but things. I entered Hypatia one morning, a magnolia garden was reflected in blue lagoons, I walked among the hedges, sure I would discover young and beautiful ladies bathing; but at the bottom of the water, crabs were biting the eyes of the suicides, stones tied around their necks, their hair green with seaweed.
"I felt cheated and decided to demand justice of the sultan. I climbed the porphyry steps of the palace with the highest domes, I crossed six tiled courtyards with fountains. The central hall was barred by iron gratings: convicts with black chains on their feet were hauling up basalt blocks from a quarry that opened underground.
"I could only question the philosophers. I entered the great library, I became lost among shelves collapsing under the vellum bindings, I followed the alphabetical order of vanishing alphabets, up and down halls, stairs, bridges. In the most remote papyrus cabinet, in a cloud of smoke, the dazed eyes of an adolescent appeared to me, as he lay on a mat, his lips glued to an opium pipe.
"'Where is the sage?'
"The smoker pointed out of the window. It was a garden with children's games: ninepins, a swing, a top. The philosopher was seated on the lawn. He said: 'Signs form a language, but not the one you think you know.'"
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
SORTIK
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:00 AM UTC
Moonlight Manipulation shows up as a language in Aura of Tongues, and you guys are questioning light being cold?
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:11 AM UTC
>> Moonlight Manipulation shows up as a language in Aura of Tongues
wat?
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
wat?
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
NJP
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:19 AM UTC
>>Armifer's post
You never, ever disappoint.
However, you tend to reference such great stuff, you really should cite the references for those folks who may not know where they come from but who might really like to read a great book. The quote he used was from Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino, and I heartily recommend it to anybody.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
You never, ever disappoint.
However, you tend to reference such great stuff, you really should cite the references for those folks who may not know where they come from but who might really like to read a great book. The quote he used was from Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino, and I heartily recommend it to anybody.
"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught
DR-ARMIFER
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:25 AM UTC
Eh, I usually figure if anyone's interested, Google is a browser tab away.
But yes, Invisible Cities is one of my favorites. Figured that was a more entertaining way to introduce someone to allegorical imagery than any explanation I could've written up.
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
But yes, Invisible Cities is one of my favorites. Figured that was a more entertaining way to introduce someone to allegorical imagery than any explanation I could've written up.
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
DEVAN
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:52 AM UTC
>>Eh, I usually figure if anyone's interested, Google is a browser tab away.
To those who feel that Google is too hard, I recommend Google Chrome (just google it). You can highlight something, right-click on it and "Paste and search". O.o
As for Velator, I'm just going to say Strk's and Cop's responses were best, and if you couldn't understand them, your opinion is clearly biased. Whatever that means.
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
To those who feel that Google is too hard, I recommend Google Chrome (just google it). You can highlight something, right-click on it and "Paste and search". O.o
As for Velator, I'm just going to say Strk's and Cop's responses were best, and if you couldn't understand them, your opinion is clearly biased. Whatever that means.
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
FEIGERZ
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 07:28 AM UTC
<<light is just electro magnetism on a visable sepctrum. light it's self is energy, and therfore mass. Which should reflect heat, impact or some type of blinding affect. >>
You're grasp of basic physical phenomenon appears cursory at best, please refrain from citing it as a means for argument in a fantasy based world. It grates my senses.
I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.
You're grasp of basic physical phenomenon appears cursory at best, please refrain from citing it as a means for argument in a fantasy based world. It grates my senses.
I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.
JMF90
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 08:23 AM UTC
I really wasn't trying to shoot down your idea or anything, that was my initial reaction. My best advice is to not take postings personally. I don't intend to hurt people's feelings, but we all have bad days and it is easy to misinterpret on the internet.
LORD-RAHL
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 09:43 AM UTC
As a scientist by trade that description of light hurts on many levels.
However... as has been said, how things work in DR and how things work in the real world are VASTLY different. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. We really have no idea if the sun and the stars in DR actually are the same fundamental thing. We have no idea if stars are actually hot.
If you want role playing, see the whole argument that is going on with the nature of stars right now. See the different things clerics and moon mages learn when they study those shards from the meteors.
This isn't even a "it's magic" argument, it's much deeper than that. You're talking a world where the Gods are very real, even if their exact nature and form is open for debate. It's utterly possible that the creation myths (Where the stars are the tears of gods set in the skies) are actually what happened.
All that said...
Thanks for the tip on Chrome. I've been playing with it awhile, few minor bugs, but quite happy (Other than it not running facebook for Tiny Adventures) but had no idea about highlight and search. That ROCKS.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
However... as has been said, how things work in DR and how things work in the real world are VASTLY different. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. We really have no idea if the sun and the stars in DR actually are the same fundamental thing. We have no idea if stars are actually hot.
If you want role playing, see the whole argument that is going on with the nature of stars right now. See the different things clerics and moon mages learn when they study those shards from the meteors.
This isn't even a "it's magic" argument, it's much deeper than that. You're talking a world where the Gods are very real, even if their exact nature and form is open for debate. It's utterly possible that the creation myths (Where the stars are the tears of gods set in the skies) are actually what happened.
All that said...
Thanks for the tip on Chrome. I've been playing with it awhile, few minor bugs, but quite happy (Other than it not running facebook for Tiny Adventures) but had no idea about highlight and search. That ROCKS.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
KOUGEN
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 11:30 AM UTC
I'll try to break it down Barney-style.
SLS does cold damage because the spell is based on how Elanthians THINK of the stars, not necessarily how they actually are.
Despite having an entire guild of magical master astrologers who can see the future, their knowledge of outer space is very limited by the (relative) rudimentary technology available.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
SLS does cold damage because the spell is based on how Elanthians THINK of the stars, not necessarily how they actually are.
Despite having an entire guild of magical master astrologers who can see the future, their knowledge of outer space is very limited by the (relative) rudimentary technology available.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 01:09 PM UTC
"As a scientist by trade that description of light hurts on many levels."
Actually if you dont know that Light is the visable spectrum of elctro magnetism you are not very good at your job. They were discovering the significance of this right around the time einstein released his theories is 1905. His fameous equation which equates that energy is mass and mass is energy. Energy will become mass if it eceeds light speed. Which throws the big bang into full swing.
You bashing on what I said, you are argueing with enistein himself.
Actually if you dont know that Light is the visable spectrum of elctro magnetism you are not very good at your job. They were discovering the significance of this right around the time einstein released his theories is 1905. His fameous equation which equates that energy is mass and mass is energy. Energy will become mass if it eceeds light speed. Which throws the big bang into full swing.
You bashing on what I said, you are argueing with enistein himself.
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 01:10 PM UTC
'SLS does cold damage because the spell is based on how Elanthians THINK of the stars, not necessarily how they actually are.'
Thats the dumbest thing I have heard yet. Your saying that because you THINK you can fly, its possible?
Thats the dumbest thing I have heard yet. Your saying that because you THINK you can fly, its possible?
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 01:18 PM UTC
"You're grasp of basic physical phenomenon appears cursory at best, please refrain from citing it as a means for argument in a fantasy based world. It grates my senses."
Let me guess, your the guy who will argue that the sky is in fact, not blue. Grate your own senses. Just because I have an understanding of what a Star and its light are, is not a reason for you to get all ignorant is it?
And the visable light from a STAR is the light from FUSION, Dont argue unless you have something worth saying please.
Light, or visible light, is electromagnetic radiation of a wavelength that is visible to the human eye (about 400?700 nm), or up to 380?750 nm.[1] In the broader field of physics, light is often used to refer to electromagnetic radiation of all wavelengths, whether visible or not.
Light can exhibit properties of both waves and particles (photons). This property is referred to as wave?particle duality. The study of light, known as optics, is an important research area in modern physics.
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 01:24 PM UTC
"You're grasp of basic physical phenomenon appears cursory at best, please refrain from citing it as a means for argument in a fantasy based world. It grates my senses."
Sorry I have to hit this one more time. Basic? Your telling me that wave and particle physics are basic? And in this FANTASY based world the GM's work very hard to instill a quality of realism which has beat any other game I have heard of or tried.
If your calling one of the most complex theories ever set forth and proved by mathmatics basic, your grasp of physics and science is rudimentary at best.
can you seriously be any more ignorant?
Sorry I have to hit this one more time. Basic? Your telling me that wave and particle physics are basic? And in this FANTASY based world the GM's work very hard to instill a quality of realism which has beat any other game I have heard of or tried.
If your calling one of the most complex theories ever set forth and proved by mathmatics basic, your grasp of physics and science is rudimentary at best.
can you seriously be any more ignorant?
FERDONC
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 01:31 PM UTC
I think we've been had boys, this is old fashioned trolling.
-Strk
-Strk
SAUVA
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 02:39 PM UTC
>light it's self is energy, and therfore mass.
The weight of the sunshine is crushing me!
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
>Tiesse exclaims, "The power of soon compels you!"
The weight of the sunshine is crushing me!
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
>Tiesse exclaims, "The power of soon compels you!"
HAPLO82
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 03:57 PM UTC
You combined snippets from my post with those from another.
Here's some tips if you expect to receive positive dialogue regarding a post that "speaks on it's own and lays forth a very detailed example."
In the future, for the sake of intelligible dialogue amongst your peers, (and so you don't get your little feelings hurt) present your idea in a more clear, concise, and thought out manner, answer each post directly and above all else expect you're not always going to enjoy all the responses.
-Coralin
Here's some tips if you expect to receive positive dialogue regarding a post that "speaks on it's own and lays forth a very detailed example."
In the future, for the sake of intelligible dialogue amongst your peers, (and so you don't get your little feelings hurt) present your idea in a more clear, concise, and thought out manner, answer each post directly and above all else expect you're not always going to enjoy all the responses.
-Coralin
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 04:30 PM UTC
Its rather amusing to hear you pride yourself with hurting someone's feelings. Even more funny considering that you could have any affect on my feelings at all.
And to clear it up, I stated in the first paragraph about if you send it when the target is unconcious the approach time doesnt really matter. And you have No casting limitations. Which makes the sphere a minion all on its own. I was speaking on the strength of the spell. If you cant understand that, its not really my problem. Un-restricted cast use.
"You combined snippets from my post with those from another. "
Did you figure that out all on your own? Perhaps you should stop considering it being addressed to you alone. It was actually quite clear what and who I was responding to if you had followed the posts. And well, if you cant follow it. Thats a problem of yours.
And to clear it up, I stated in the first paragraph about if you send it when the target is unconcious the approach time doesnt really matter. And you have No casting limitations. Which makes the sphere a minion all on its own. I was speaking on the strength of the spell. If you cant understand that, its not really my problem. Un-restricted cast use.
"You combined snippets from my post with those from another. "
Did you figure that out all on your own? Perhaps you should stop considering it being addressed to you alone. It was actually quite clear what and who I was responding to if you had followed the posts. And well, if you cant follow it. Thats a problem of yours.
SERC
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 04:56 PM UTC
Verathor,
Time to let it go. You're arguing anything and everything and honestly real physics only has a moderate impact on DR. This is a place where shadow is not just a description of where light is reduced or isn't, but is infact a substance all it's own.
Stars in our reality may be distant celestial objects of immense size and temperature. In DR they could be pin pricks in the sky, showing through the light of the heavens. (this is not the case as far as I'm aware)
"Thats the dumbest thing I have heard yet. Your saying that because you THINK you can fly, its possible?"
No. What they're saying is that within the paramaters of an online RPG it is possible that my character thinking he can fly can make it possible. This dosn't work in DR, usualy, but it could. It's possible it could be implamented. Actualy I think what they were saying had more to do with stars and less to do with flying, but I continued with your misguided example.
Given that, yes. Starlight sphere does cold damage. Should it? Yes. Why? Because in the game reality of DR thats what happens. Armifer let on that it was coded this way because the preception of starlight is that of a chilly distant light shining from the frigid deapths of space.(This full statment is not endorsed by armifer, only a continuation of a comment of mine that Armifer made dingy sounds to) I speculate it was coded this way because the PRECEPTION of starlight isn't that it's warm or burning or hot or tepid. The mystical, poetic, common description of starlight is cold.
-Serc
"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
Time to let it go. You're arguing anything and everything and honestly real physics only has a moderate impact on DR. This is a place where shadow is not just a description of where light is reduced or isn't, but is infact a substance all it's own.
Stars in our reality may be distant celestial objects of immense size and temperature. In DR they could be pin pricks in the sky, showing through the light of the heavens. (this is not the case as far as I'm aware)
"Thats the dumbest thing I have heard yet. Your saying that because you THINK you can fly, its possible?"
No. What they're saying is that within the paramaters of an online RPG it is possible that my character thinking he can fly can make it possible. This dosn't work in DR, usualy, but it could. It's possible it could be implamented. Actualy I think what they were saying had more to do with stars and less to do with flying, but I continued with your misguided example.
Given that, yes. Starlight sphere does cold damage. Should it? Yes. Why? Because in the game reality of DR thats what happens. Armifer let on that it was coded this way because the preception of starlight is that of a chilly distant light shining from the frigid deapths of space.(This full statment is not endorsed by armifer, only a continuation of a comment of mine that Armifer made dingy sounds to) I speculate it was coded this way because the PRECEPTION of starlight isn't that it's warm or burning or hot or tepid. The mystical, poetic, common description of starlight is cold.
-Serc
"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
DR-ARMIFER
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 06:50 PM UTC
>>Despite having an entire guild of magical master astrologers who can see the future, their knowledge of outer space is very limited by the (relative) rudimentary technology available.
Funny thing is, Moon Mages are way ahead of the curve. Elanthia has roughly Renaissance era technology (with some notable exceptions), Moon Mages frequently use techniques found in the early Modern era. The telescopes in-game are decidedly advanced, and Lunar Enchanting requires an understanding of paralax that wasn't refined until the 19th century.
However, a lot of knowledge we take from granted are things your grandfather -- or possibly great-grandfather at this point -- didn't know growing up. Spectrometry (how we know what those thingamicgigs are made out of) requires a foundation in modern chemistry and quantum physics. Stellar evolution theory, the Big Bang theory, radio astronomy, and many others were all conceived within living memory.
We're also ignoring the magic angle. Moon Mages use magical insight as their main observation tool, which can warp expectations. Starlight passed through a spell matrix is cold, but sunlight is hot. Spatial magic has nothing to do with gravity or time. Shadows have mass and human emotions sometimes walk out of moongates to beat you to death.
Moon Mages do better than anyone could reasonably expect working with the technology of Elanthia and while sorting through the supernatural madness of the Plane of Probability.
>>The weight of the sunshine is crushing me!
I'd be more worried about its kinetic energy. http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20001105.html
(Art and writing has improved over the years. Check out the recent strips.)
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
Funny thing is, Moon Mages are way ahead of the curve. Elanthia has roughly Renaissance era technology (with some notable exceptions), Moon Mages frequently use techniques found in the early Modern era. The telescopes in-game are decidedly advanced, and Lunar Enchanting requires an understanding of paralax that wasn't refined until the 19th century.
However, a lot of knowledge we take from granted are things your grandfather -- or possibly great-grandfather at this point -- didn't know growing up. Spectrometry (how we know what those thingamicgigs are made out of) requires a foundation in modern chemistry and quantum physics. Stellar evolution theory, the Big Bang theory, radio astronomy, and many others were all conceived within living memory.
We're also ignoring the magic angle. Moon Mages use magical insight as their main observation tool, which can warp expectations. Starlight passed through a spell matrix is cold, but sunlight is hot. Spatial magic has nothing to do with gravity or time. Shadows have mass and human emotions sometimes walk out of moongates to beat you to death.
Moon Mages do better than anyone could reasonably expect working with the technology of Elanthia and while sorting through the supernatural madness of the Plane of Probability.
>>The weight of the sunshine is crushing me!
I'd be more worried about its kinetic energy. http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20001105.html
(Art and writing has improved over the years. Check out the recent strips.)
-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl
KOUGEN
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 09:07 PM UTC
>Thats the dumbest thing I have heard yet. Your saying that because you THINK you can fly, its possible?
Well I was going to explain, but you're too rude to be worth my time and too stupid to understand anyway.
Stop posting.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
Well I was going to explain, but you're too rude to be worth my time and too stupid to understand anyway.
Stop posting.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 09:15 PM UTC
Aerathor,
You are being incredibly rude and pigheaded right now to everyone, even the people being nice and explaining what you are doing wrong.
You behaved the same way in the COL thread you started when you unequivocally stated that COL was worthless and people disagreed with you.
I highly recommend taking a step back and resisting posting until you can handle little things like people disagreeing with you and having different opinions.
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
You are being incredibly rude and pigheaded right now to everyone, even the people being nice and explaining what you are doing wrong.
You behaved the same way in the COL thread you started when you unequivocally stated that COL was worthless and people disagreed with you.
I highly recommend taking a step back and resisting posting until you can handle little things like people disagreeing with you and having different opinions.
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
NIKPACK
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/04/2008 10:22 PM UTC
Armifer you give some of the best posts.
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/05/2008 12:30 AM UTC
'You behaved the same way in the COL thread you started when you unequivocally stated that COL was worthless and people disagreed with you."
This should answer your own question for...
"I'm failing to see how any of us are biased. Could you please explain?"
As for the rest of what you've said, I put forth my oppinion of the spell changes could be. Since first post on this no one has been "nice" about what im doing "wrong". Thats absurd to imagine that Im doing something wrong in the first place.
Havent heard the term it takes two to tango? Just one of me taking shots from several folks. Im ok with myself reguardless at your petty name calling and BIAS oppinion. You, as in anyone who has been responding with smart ass comments instead of respectful insight, would rather me not post, like I really care what you would ask after what you have all been saying.
Maybe you should not act like your some nice person when really your acting snobish, rude and seem to expect me to treat you the opposite of what I am treated.
Giv me sunshine, i'll give you sunshine, give me worms, and I'll give you maggots.
MALZART
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/05/2008 01:55 AM UTC
<< This should answer your own question for...
No, it really doesn't.
Please explain how we are all clearly biased against your apparently wonderful idea to expand roleplaying options with SLS by making it behave differently when you cast it on different constellations (which it already does).
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
No, it really doesn't.
Please explain how we are all clearly biased against your apparently wonderful idea to expand roleplaying options with SLS by making it behave differently when you cast it on different constellations (which it already does).
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
VERATHOR
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/05/2008 02:27 AM UTC
Its different behavior consists of color, approach speeds and pulse damage. My idea was actually about function. More than just basic change that is in place now. Which seems to point all mages to find the one with the fastest approach anyway. I always cast on Coyote because I always find best results on coyote.
If each constelation changed its use to a degree, such as how the sphere is used. One for offense,defense, Perhaps having a Cat sphere your evasion would increase slightly. The window is very large and many possible ways to see us wanting to cast it on different sphere's for different situations.
If you dont think its creative fine, but why are you acting ilke IM the only one saying things? And your speaking in plural.
If each constelation changed its use to a degree, such as how the sphere is used. One for offense,defense, Perhaps having a Cat sphere your evasion would increase slightly. The window is very large and many possible ways to see us wanting to cast it on different sphere's for different situations.
If you dont think its creative fine, but why are you acting ilke IM the only one saying things? And your speaking in plural.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/05/2008 02:30 AM UTC
Those aren't roleplay things though, those are mechanical changes. And keep in mind something like an evasion bonus would necessitate removing power from the spell in some other area in the name of balance. I personally do not want to see that happen. I think giving it a defensive function so it attacks things that engage you would be fantastic, though.
And it would be very silly to attempt to claim I am somehow biased against roleplay options. I do want to see it become a better spell however, and good spells are about much much more than aesthetics.
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
And it would be very silly to attempt to claim I am somehow biased against roleplay options. I do want to see it become a better spell however, and good spells are about much much more than aesthetics.
Rev. Reene
"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen
LORD-RAHL
Re: SLS wants YOU!
10/05/2008 02:45 AM UTC
I had a giant post. My laptop crashed. It's gone.
So we're going to do this in a two line sentence (And for once I'm sticking with this).
1) No matter how good or bad your ideas were Verathor, since the initial post all you've done is post very baisedly (towards your own ideas, which is understandable and expected) while attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you and being surprised when they're offended or fight back.
2) I made a one line statement that your scientific knowledge was flawed, and you expanded that to assume I said a number of things I never said (including anything about Einstein) and turned it into a full blown attack on me while exposing your own total ignorance of the subjects involved even further.
Any further posts between me and Verathor would quickly need to be moved to the conflicts folder and likely bore everyone involved.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
So we're going to do this in a two line sentence (And for once I'm sticking with this).
1) No matter how good or bad your ideas were Verathor, since the initial post all you've done is post very baisedly (towards your own ideas, which is understandable and expected) while attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you and being surprised when they're offended or fight back.
2) I made a one line statement that your scientific knowledge was flawed, and you expanded that to assume I said a number of things I never said (including anything about Einstein) and turned it into a full blown attack on me while exposing your own total ignorance of the subjects involved even further.
Any further posts between me and Verathor would quickly need to be moved to the conflicts folder and likely bore everyone involved.
-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver
Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."
