"But seriously, SLS seems more like a stand alone spell to me."

You used all the words to denote that you're giving your opinion rather than stating a fact. I appreciate that. But still, you're wrong.

SLS and whole displacment are THE it couple of MM spells. Personaly I don't like using either of them, but if you wanna train TM as a MM without worrying about silly things like evasion SLS and WD is the way to go.

So now you know.

-Serc



"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer

I had hoped, it was clear from the context, that i meant; interactions with other spells as for example moonblade and TKT would be illogical in my view, when i said stand alone spell.

>I just used DO and PD to train TM up to 440 with 130 evasion.

And you were at risk of dying any time you hit lag.

>> I just used DO and PD to train TM up to 440 with 130 evasion.

stolas jr. ladies and gentlemen

except I don't think his TM was even that high

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Rev. Reene

"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen

Stolas is more of a personality and state of mind than skill ratio.

Devan, spell interaction involving SLS in a combat situation would have to be a single shot "omgwtfpwn" effect such as a massive explosion to justify the time requires to set it up, or it would have to be a fairly weak interaction.

The "omgwtfpwn" idea, which you seem to like so much, would be an "i win" move and, it is my impression, those are slowly being phased out. And thank god for that.

A more realistic interaction would be something like TKT causing a SLS sphere to instantly advance and attack the opponent you cast TKT at.

Your example with SM and locate is actually a pet hate interaction of mine. The interaction was poorly retrofitted onto SM at the expense of the normal operation of SM. Fortunately names starting with east,west,north,south, arch, gate and so on are not too common. It would have been quite a bit better to let FM and locate interact in this way.

Serc, where did i write, i wanted to move anything into locate? I simply meant; make it possible to focus a moonbeam on someone you recently located.

This way you probably wouldnt even have to pick SM, and more importantly, it is basically already in the game to support celestial beacons.

prep locate
cast dude

prep fm
cast xibar dude

Syntactically and semantically a more elegant solution in my view.

This is all completely off typic though.

I manually shifted my way from Leth Deriel to Shard, once, while sitting at the Crossing Guild. It wasn't hard, just slow.

>>The "omgwtfpwn" idea, which you seem to like so much, would be an "i win" move and, it is my impression, those are slowly being phased out. And thank god for that.

Considering that I would categorize Shift Moonbeam, Shockwave, Static Discharge, Confound Enemies, and a couple others to also be omgwtfpwn when combined with other spells, I think you misunderstand what the term is referring to in this context.

That's why I gave Shift Moonbeam as an example.


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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin

1. The advance time absolutely must be improved. It always reminded me of one of those cheesy robots on the original Star Trek that advanced menacingly at the rate of 2 inches per minute. da DAH, da DAH, da DAH!

2. The protect self is a great idea.

3. Water restricion is just wacko. At most, have it cease functioning or, see below, loose some of its "charge/supercharge".

4. Perhaps make it to where it caps low but can be "supercharged" after the fact for extra damage/speed by focusing on it to see present mana state and charging it to add extra mana. Make this extremely hard and thus give the big kids something to learn/use MD. Make the charge/supercharge fade over time to address "mana management" concerns so that the big kids must continually pump mana into it to get max results and those who cannot manage the MD side yet must recast the spell on a semi-regular basis to keep it at regular strength.

5. Use it as a means to train weapons. Have the sphere float around the MM who is using a moonblade to try to hit it (preferably with a blue xibar moonblade). If the MM misses, the sphere will emit a small blast of energy shocking the MM (thus adding the required risk for learning combat skills). At higher levels, the MM will be required to wear a blindfold or helmet that has the eyeslots closed while conducting this training.

If you did not figure out that #5 was a joke, please turn in your geek credentials and leave the building quietly.

Cydrik

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"I have a Ph.d... in Horribleness!" www.drhorrible.com

SLS+Moonblade training somehow reminds me of star wars jedi training.....

fwiw autodefend would be enough to make me get the spell, especially if asking for that kind of functionality in tks is a dead end.


-Strk

It gets my warm fuzzy approval. BTW, thanks for the feed back on this subject.


-Serc


"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer

Cydrik, i am quite aware, #5 was a joke, although it actually seemed like a better idea to me than your #4.

Would starlight spheres get speeding tickets, if their engagement speed was increased?

While everyone is on the subject of SLS, I was always curious why its cold damage? I think it makes more sense for it to burst light attacks which might burn or blind or intense force of gravity maybe? And it is already in a small way a minion to control. And if your target is already unconcious when you send it, it doesnt really matter that it takes a few seconds to advance to melee because you can be casting un-restricted the entire sphere's shelf life.

I think the pulse and damage might need adjusting to increase its damage on the level with other spells which have requirements in the same range, the duration is fine, although we can percieve stellar magic during the daytime and the starlight is never gone, we just cannot see it. A mage would have to use a chart perhaps to know which constelations he was below, or a ritual component.

The spell interaction idea is also interesting but I dont see making the spell part of an even slower set up attack is the fix here. And if it could interact with TKT you would be spending even more time summoning each sphere to TKT than you would to kill it with PD, which seems to be the most popular TM spell currently.

If the orb auto attacked anything which advanced on you, you could just cast an orb, dance, and watch your exp ranks tic. If im not mistaken interactability with the point and its ominous approach is a rather spooky role play tool to work with. And also for it to just respond with a will of its own to attack your enemies? Perhaps if you added the personality of each constelation into its use it would be the best.

If you wanted it to auto respond you could cast it on a constelation which you observe for Defense or survival. If you want it to do more damage you would go for a constelation which adds magic/offense such as the coyote. That seems to give everyone a bit of what they want and restricting its power to TM spells in its range. One orb should not have increased damage/duration reducded approach and a self point to audo defend. Do we really need that spell? You could have many more role play options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent.

>You could have many more mechanics options open if each constelation changed its function to a certain extent.

role playing is getting 2 different color eyes, going to the paladin guild, and saying HEIGH GLEMM SENT ME ANY1 HAVE HEAVY PL8, not playing around with little wussy glowing lights

I didn't read much of your post because I don't care about sls, but it doesn't sound like there's anything stopping you from using whatever little wussy light color your heart desires. It sounds like YOU don't understand much about role playing if you want there to be MECHANICAL differences based on the way you choose to play. Also you're ugly.


-Strk

Again, anyone without bias oppinions?

If you read the post you would notice it doesnt refer to colors at all. Thats quite alot of reading you did.

Bueller?


~Thilan