>>Do you acknowledge that "I was bored and I saw you were open" is occasionally the only reason, and that it's reasonable to say this is unacceptable for some people?<<

Absolutely. There is ALWAYS a reason, but it may be one that isn't valid or acceptable to the person that just got killed, but there is ALWAYS a reason.

>>Or that they would like to be open except for one or two people they have no desire to interact with, and so remain guarded to protect themselves from that.<<

I agree with this statement as well. There are some people who border on harassing, that will track down and kill someone they detest the moment they go "open" and they more than likely check that person's profile multiple times per gaming session, just on the off chance that it happens. That is juvenile and petty behavior in my opinion, but I won't deny that it quite probably happens that way. So, the person in question remains guarded instead of open. Oh well. It's their choice to do so, but they're allowing someone else to dictate how they play the game, and for me, that's unacceptable. Understandable, regrettable, but unacceptable... for me.


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You flat out, absolutely, 100% have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>Thats not what I interpret from reading the definition.

People who are closed and getting into conflicts:

http://www.slapyo.com/wp-content/wrong18.jpg

Speaking of being bullied when one has a younger character...

Is Krugler still around?

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>>Maybe the profile settings shouldn't exist if it changes the way characters would act around another character.<<

The profile system is supposed to do this. It lets people identify with people who presumably share their values and RP style so that there are fewer frictions between players.



- Mazrian

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>>If someone is set to RP Heavy, do you really think they "aren't willing to RP on anyone else's terms"?<<

That's an interesting question. The RP flag is pure advertisement. That is to say, there is no material consequence to choosing one setting over another one. It expresses what a player wants other people to believe about them. The most you can tell from the flag is that they'd like people to believe they are dedicated RPers who will never break character.

You get more information by looking at the RP/PvP flags in combination. A Heavy/Open player is backing up the "dedicated RPer" signal by waiving some OOC protections. A Heavy/Closed or Heavy/Guarded player is explicitly reserving the right to go OOC (by reporting) if things aren't turning out to their satisfaction.

The flags are helpful, but the only setting that is guaranteed to give honest information is the PvP Open setting, because it's the only setting that has material consequences attached.

- Mazrian

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>>Couldn't it possible that the player is merely attempting to preclude interaction with morons?<<

This could definitely be true. However, the motivation is not important. Only the behavior (advertising willingness to go OOC when things don't go the way you want) is important.

>>How does somebody randomly killing somebody always become RP?<<

I don't know. Why wouldn't it be?

IMO, any interaction that happens between characters or with the setting that isn't out of genre is role playing. Whether it is RP or not doesn't depend on the motives of the participants so much as whether the behavior is appropriate for the setting.


- Mazrian

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<<IMO, any interaction that happens between characters or with the setting that isn't out of genre is role playing. Whether it is RP or not doesn't depend on the motives of the participants so much as whether the behavior is appropriate for the setting.>>

Eh, I don't consider staying IG role playing. That's what I do and I wouldn't say what I do is RP by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't want to break the RP of others.

<<I just have a tough time getting to OOC people doing OOC killing always being roleplaying.>>

When did anyone state that?


-Mr. Glemm

>>It's like in your quest to turn Prime into The Fallen you're always always giving idiots a pass.


How long have you played DR : The Fallen?


Crusader Taghz

DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.

>>How long have you played DR : The Fallen?

Appeals to 'I played longer!' don't tend to work for me in any game setting. I have indeed tried Fallen multiple times. I was equally as bored as I was playing Platinum.

>>Appeals to 'I played longer!' don't tend to work for me in any game setting. I have indeed tried Fallen multiple times. I was equally as bored as I was playing Platinum.

It's not an issue of i've played longer than you, it's an issue of you misrepresenting TF.

Er, Mazrian stated that anything which happens within the game's atmosphere that follows the guidelines/structure set forth by those who are in charge of the atmosphere is considered to be roleplaying.

You are playing the role that they have defined.

If you are being killed for an out-of-character reason, that obviously does not "jive" with the atmosphere's framework- especially in the case of this game.

Perhaps you misunderstood Mazrian's point?

If this is directed at me: I don't role play. At all. I play my character but I don't really interact except to raise or heal the occasional person. As such I don't get into conflicts and I don't get killed. If someone asks me a question I respond IG but that's about as far as it goes. If people want to consider that role play that's fine but it's not.

>>Explain it to me then. How is a desire to take a game towards being totally unmoderated different from drawing it in the direction of Fallen? I'm not trying to be offensive. My assumption was always that Fallen, like Platinum, had a niche appeal I didn't get.

The implication I read was that people in the Fallen go around killing each other all the time. If people in the Fallen had PvP settings (which we do but don't really use) I'd say most of us would be guarded. We're up to fights but we don't want to be randomly killed while scripting in the middle of the day.

I didn't mean to imply that folks in The Fallen randomly kill each other all the time. I wasn't involved in PVP once either time. I consider Fallen a niche. I consider an unmoderated Prime an entirely different animal/set of potentials.

To sum up: I don't consider being open to random PVP the definition of being a 'true' roleplayer. I think random OOC killings and random idiots don't fit into the category at all... and I don't think Open makes anybody superior. I think it's a valid choice. I don't particularly want to report (I haven't). I just don't particularly want to deal with folks who aren't even trying to roleplay. Guarded helps prevent that.

I think the 'Open' crusade gives any Open Griefers/OOC people a pass.

>>It wasn't directed at you, but that's good to know, I guess.

I guess it didn't actually needed to be directed at me, it's still a valid point, just because you're in the game and staying IG doesn't mean you're roleplaying. I think that most people who get "randomly" killed for "OOC" reasons are mouthing off or doing something else to upset someone. I've never been killed because I don't talk much to other people and when I do I keep it short and to the point.

To me, it boils down to this, my experiences thus far with the profile system:

I have been reported, repeatedly, by guarded people, even when I had consent, for things ranging from borderline (someone attacked me repeatedly over several days, but I killed four days after his last attack) to stupid (gwethsmashing someone).

I have never, ever been attacked for no reason, on any character, at all, ever.

To me, being frivolously reported, yanked, and hanging around in the consult suite is many orders of magnitude worse than just dying. My character dies all the time, no big deal. But the consult suite can really ruin my day, even if nothing comes of it but a talking-to.

I imagine this is where many open people are coming from. In my experience, frivolous reports happen much, much more frequently than random killings, and the consequences are much worse for the reportee. I've even had some of these people admit to me that they know I did nothing wrong, but know they're hassling both me and the GMs by doing so, so they report anyway.

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<<There's a decided difference between being sniped and hearing someone's decidely OOC reasons and OOC actions and having them continue in that vein. You seem to miss that, Glemm.>>

You seem to assume that anything about the profile system has anything to do with people being OOC.

OOC conflicts in the game are unacceptable (but usually funny) regardless of RP or PVP stance.

Does being "open" invalidate your ability to report someone for bringing an OOC conflict IG? I didn't think it does, since that breaks game policy.

I could be wrong here, but if I am, it's something that should be changed.


-Mr. Glemm

>>Does being "open" invalidate your ability to report someone for bringing an OOC conflict IG? I didn't think it does, since that breaks game policy.

That was how it was explained to me. I will definitely accept it if I am wrong.

>>Nah. As long as you are abiding by the terms set forth as being acceptable by the people who have created the atmosphere, you are playing the proper role in the environment.

>>Hence the term.

>>It doesn't matter if you are braiding grass, sitting there doing nothing, or leading your army to victory over the Bad People. As long as you aren't OOC, you are IC and roleplaying, even if your role is that of some boring dude who just sits there and doesn't talk to anyone.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't view following the rules as role playing when I have absolutely no backstory on my character, no depth, nothing.

<<I don't view following the rules as role playing when I have absolutely no backstory on my character, no depth, nothing.>>

I don't understand how a character needs "depth" in order to play a role in Dragonrealms.

Yeah, agree to disagree.

-Mr. Glemm