What sort of nuts enhancives are at duskruin that you are concerned about? I don't really do duskruin, because it seems like so much farming, but maybe I'm missing out on something? Were there really high bonus enhancives or something?

Fusion changes that impact gear people had been working on via various pay events for years is not a "little thing". Further, no amount of burying actual issues under complaints about complaints is going to make the issue go away.

It's the people who spend their entire time on the forums browsing every folder to complain about people's complaints who are both harassing (against policy) and whose complaints are not taken seriously when they have them. They will complain about everyone regardless.

Forums are for feedback and discussion. Despite the implication, I only post in a few folders/threads on the forums, so it's easy enough to ignore if it's not your particular concern.

>How often are people changing orbs in fusion items for this

It doesn't have to be an issue for many people for it to be an issue. If, as people claim, "no one" does this, then there shouldn't even be the possibility of an old-style orb degrading into a new-style without a merchant service to remove it. The cost is built in already with needing to waste charges and re-charge the item again if the orbs are changed out prematurely, and even under the current standards, it takes several weeks to safely remove both orbs from an item, during which time the item is not charged and provides no benefit.

Giving old-style orbs the chance to degrade to new-style if removed without a merchant service is even more excessive tedium on top of the higher upkeep, which only makes life difficult for those who are still working on their gear via enchants and ensorcell. If, as claimed, this doesn't actually affect many people, then I don't know why such a punitive nerf is necessary. Many systems have needed minor fixes, but it's like the wrecking ball was taken out instead on levels that weren't necessary and just causes more frustration for people who had already spent in good faith on pay event systems.

>> why there is a need for old-style orbs to have a chance to turn into new-style orbs at all?

Not Wyrom, so I won't try to explain why. I do have a question, though.

What will be the same player responses when nothing changes with respect to the original orbs, no conversion is allowed, and future development in Fusion 2.0 lands something really sweet that you want?

(Ok, so maybe there's a part of why in there. . . But it's small, really! )

Doug

>How often are people changing orbs in fusion items for this to be a large issue for existing fusion sets outside of the higher recharge costs?

Here is how it is.

Typically people do not remove orbs on a regular basis, no one has armor and they put in hunting orbs, then take them out and put in resting orbs, then take them out and put in enchanting orbs. Many people do have armor, and then robes or something to wear while resting or enchanting or something, multiple outfits not multiple orb sets.

But, sometime, their needs might change in that they hunt a new critter or because of their training end up with a need for difference orbs than they had before. Or they simply are finally able to afford better orbs and they want to upgrade. Then they will swap them out.

Pricing is an interesting thing, you pay quite a bit for marginal utility at the upper end. So for instance I've sold a +14 Spell Aiming Orb for 30 million silvers in the past (currently someone has one for sale for far less though), that is about as high as they get (I do think there are a handful of +15 and one +16 out there, but as standard issue, +14 is the top). If this orb got switched to newstyle it essentially becomes a +7 orb long term. A +7 spell aiming orb is not worth 15m, it isn't worth 10m, it isn't even worth 7m. You might be able to get 3-5m for it. So if that were your case you'd have lost 25m in value. A 5% chance to lose 25m in value sounds very risky to many people.

So even if you don't remove the orb very often, the risk is still very high.

I have a +2 spirit return orb. I've sold multiple +1s for 10m, others have sold for 5m. I have never seen another +2 for sale, I don't remember how much I paid for this one but it may have been 50m. So if it were nerfed as planned I'd lose comparative value of maybe 45m. An item change hasn't cost me so much since 919 was nerfed making my 6x a day self charger relatively worthless. I will deal by never removing this orb. I'm not as worried about this change as others because I generally already have the best possible orbs and do not need my needs changing in the future so I think I will be okay just never removing my current orb set. But I certainly see the risk is great for people who do wish to upgrade in the future.

There is also the issue of gear upgrades. So you have a fusion armor, or fusion weapon, or fusion shield, and you buy new better armor/weapon/shield. You now have to transfer all your orbs. So it isn't just upgrading your orbs, it is when you upgrade your base gear as well. (I'm lucky here though too, there is a small chance I may want to change an orb in the future, but I'll definitely never need to swap out my armor or runestaff). Others, not as lucky, face a serious issue with this.

I do wonder to what degree luck boosts and talismans could mitigate that 5% chance. I know if I do ever need to use an orb I'll do all that stuff just in case it does help.

>>You mean instead of the current plan to have old-style work with the new-style?

Maybe - who knows how the GM team would solve the ever-present challenge of retiring old code in favor of new. Development will progress on the new branch, while the old branch withers and dies. We only know how they chose to, and are thrashing over it.

Doug

If it works, it works. :)

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Currently you are able to pry an orb with zero chance of damage by waiting until it becomes "loose in the socket", which takes a few weeks after initial insertion. Can you confirm this will still work in exactly the same way for old-style orbs?

Good idea.

Or they may have the new orbs created have a different adjective or something to differentiate as well.

And Analyze hopefully!

The automatic "loose in the socket" mechanism is going away. Once an orb is inserted, the only way to get it out is to either take the risk of prying it out or pay for a professional orb removal. If you do choose to pry it out, any time you pry an orb of any type there is a 5% damage type.

You will be able to ANALYZE your orbs to find out what tier they are and how much (if any) damage they've sustained. For reference, "old-style" will be called Tier 3, "new-style" will be called Tier 2, and Tier 1 will be orbs that degrade all the way to zero.

Coase

yes it is a bit of short notice aye?

New style orbs degrade at 4% per month... while installed in a piece of gear? While the gear is in inventory?

An orb in a locker, does it degrade?
An orb in a pouch, does it degrade?
An orb installed into gear, in a locker, does it degrade?
An orb installed into gear, in a shop, does it degrade?

Coase, even though folks were supposedly thinking about it since October of last year, with it coming in just a week like this...
...any chance of turning on the annual "pay silvers for charging" at the Adventurer's Guild starting on Saturday, after folks have shifted their orbs around?

It looked like they would remain Old Style/Tier3 until they got damaged, at which point they would be New Style/Tier2.

Well, if the repairs to the orbs are allowed at the same frequency as unlocking Enchantment projects (== "GALD" merchant), it may not be so bad.

Also, if there were a way to make orbs OTHER THAN just "once per year" at Ebon Gate (and not even then, in 2017)... Folks could replace orbs.

The only way that Tier 3 ("old-style") orbs gain Tier 2 ("new-style") functionality is if they are damaged. Otherwise, there are no auto-conversions or anything like that. Tier 3 orbs are still a valid and recognized part of the fusion system, but they simply won't be released via the Fusion Sanctum extractions anymore.

Coase

So we'll see the fusion shaman every other year and he will spin for 10 people to make new orbs? That way it will be just as common and available as the new WPS system is? Or should we expect to see the shaman show up for simucoins and bloodscrip and complete the circle going back to microtransactions?

REALLY bad move.

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

>How does this system work with +Spirit or +Spirit Regen? Lets say you have +1 to MAX SPIRIT, or +1 to Spirit Regeneration. How could that ever degrade over time? I would assume those items could never change over time?

As noted in the announcement recap, orbs with a starting bonus of 1 round down to zero (at 50%, which is fully degraded T2).

>How readily available will orb refurbishment be? Are we talking specialty merchants with limited releases or is it more like enchant unlocking where any merchant doing GALD is likely to be able to do it if asked?

Specialty merchant with limited releases.

>Will there be services (rare I imagine) that allow upgrading T2 orbs to T3? Is this something you're even considering?

This would be the equivalent of an auction level service.

>Any thoughts regarding allowing the use of Premium Points to refurbish fusion orbs?

Its unlikely to occur.

>Any thoughts on any automated systems for refurbishing T2 orbs (for example, high cost bounty points)?

Maybe, but its unlikely to occur in the near term.

>Will fusion orb creation (T2) from enhancive items be an automated service?

Yes, extracting orbs from items with the fusion shaman was and remains an automated service.

Coase

>With the diminished state of fusion, is there any chance that the fusion shaman could be available in some manner of permanent capacity? The services to restore the orbs could still be locked behind festivals.

For all the orbs that currently exist, the main appreciable downtweak is a slightly higher recharge cost (which isn't a factor at all for those that use recharge potions rather than bounty points) and the fact that it is harder to swap orbs around at will. The current functionality of the items is otherwise undiminished. Extraction will remain a limited access service, but the door remains open for the distribution of orbs in a different manner though.

Coase

I'm pretty sure that was the gist of all the posts on this same thread late last year. Fusion is definitely being nerfed. We've had.. about 14 months to prepare for it.