<<The shop should be opened up more often but I'd like for it to close often as well.>>

For everything involved, I could meet halfway and agree with that.

- Simon

That's quite possible, but it still leads to the exact same thing - the lucky few who had the coin, knowledge, and time to stock up have an unlimited supply while everyone else is left out in the cold.

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The pulzone lands a powerful strike that pokes the steel-tipped pulzone into the gryphon's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
The steel-tipped pulzone lodges itself shallowly into the forest gryphon!

There's no crying in being a Barbarian. I would rather be good at stuff and not have to rely on paint, ale, roar helms, cloaks or pretty much anything to make me better.



~Mammoth Rider Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

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>>There's no crying in being a Barbarian. I would rather be good at stuff and not have to rely on paint, ale, roar helms, cloaks or pretty much anything to make me better.

^This.

>>To me, it's nice to know that we have unique stuff out there, I'd like to see more along those lines, but I definitely don't want any of it to be so common that it becomes the default rather than the occasional exception.

Thank you both, that was what I was trying to say. :)

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~Talo, Prydaen Barbarian~

<<There's no crying in being a Barbarian. I would rather be good at stuff and not have to rely on paint, ale, roar helms, cloaks or pretty much anything to make me better.>>

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I see little difference between a readily available mundane buffing item (paint if the shop was open constantly or paint was player-made) and a self-contained ability like roars.

CONCENTRATE: Raises your intimidation resistance against someone else's roaring.
You see -You concentrate on the patterns of your warpaint, steeling your mind and body against fear.

STARE: Boosts charisma
You see - You envision your warpaint in your mind. Using that vision, you flex your muscles and adjust your posture to impressive effect.

MEDITATE: Boosts discipline 10 stat points.
You see - You focus your mind on your warpaint, girding yourself with it like armor.

Those three messages imply that the majority of the effect is (from an IC standpoint) coming from the Barbarian rather than the paint. The fourth, Scream, really is mostly from the warpaint.

From an OOC standpoint, there is not really much of a difference between a readily available buff item and an inherent ability. You can use either to your heart's content. Warpaint is already readily available to some of those who managed to catch the tent, so if having a large supply was game-breaking we'd know that already.

From an IC standpoint, most of the effects of the warpaint come from the wearer - this is part of why non-barbs can't use it. This is part of why I can't really understand its limited availability - surely more than just one person knows how to make paint that people can put on their faces.

Finally and most importantly, it's really sad to see such a unique and creative system go to waste like this.

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The pulzone lands a powerful strike that pokes the steel-tipped pulzone into the gryphon's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
The steel-tipped pulzone lodges itself shallowly into the forest gryphon!

Only one of the Barbarians I generally hang with (younger crowd than you, oldster) have ever gotten to use the system, and she was lucky to find it for sale by another barb. Some of us were even around when the shop was last open, but had no clue about it. My first barb got to 41st before I retired him, and this one's about to hit 50th, yet I still have no experience with the system.

Even basic warpaint, which has a small boost (even a chance to go negative) and no verbs that I'm aware of, is hard to come by. The idea that basic paint is too OP to be widely released is laughable - all you need to do is point to CJs and that argument dies.

A handful of lucky people (those who horded a healthy supply when the shop was around) get to use the system regularly - that's it. Everyone else is just SOL, unless one of these few decide to throw a few sticks of basic paint down for the others to play with.

And that to me seems like a huge waste of potential.

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The pulzone lands a powerful strike that pokes the steel-tipped pulzone into the gryphon's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
The steel-tipped pulzone lodges itself shallowly into the forest gryphon!

I don't buy into the point of people being out of luck if they hadn't purchased it from the warpaint shop. Yes, they can buy it from other PCs, but should they when access to it should be theres if they are guilded as a Barbarian -- even for what can be considered an extension-guild ability (as opposed to the main guild abilities: roars, dances, berserks, BMR).

The concept of what is considered to be rare/limited items being feasible as a cost is viable, but not with consumable goods until another splurge of shop(s) are open for warpaint.

It is interesting to see other people's perspectives on their points and arguments.

Cool stuff ;)

- Simon

They sold warpaint at the God Fest, which was said would be an annual thing. So another couple months, stock up on it then if Osgeth's shows up

>Or it should be part of a creation system. Forage for the flowers to make the dye, then do whatever other voodoo goes into making paint, and voila!

I'd really like to see warpaint be player creatable.


~Nitish

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>>On top of that, even if you ARE correct and people without plenty of warpaint are in the minority, what's the point of keeping even the unlucky ones among us out of the system?

I'll quote this:

>>To me, it's nice to know that we have unique stuff out there, I'd like to see more along those lines, but I definitely don't want any of it to be so common that it becomes the default rather than the occasional exception.

And again, if you were REALLY searching for war paint I don't see how you haven't even used the system yet.

Also, I do think it'd be cool to allow players to make war paint.

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Vinjince

iv given some away not allot because i didn't buy allot.

if yer around ratha let me know and ill give you some just msg me at drbooeki because iv been working on my moonie lately and hes in crossing.

i don't think i have any plain just the good stuff but i haven't gotten around to trying to use it because my mech isn't as high as i would like it.



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Naissura squints at the balance beam needle and says, "There's some stuff in here. All told, the backpack weighs about two thousand, one stones," and puts the backpack on the counter.

>>I'd really like to see warpaint be player creatable.

This. Please.

Before warpaint came out, I would on occasion make up my own. There are various forage-able items (or other items found) that can be turned into various colored pastes by crushing them in a mortar. I seem to remember being able to get blood red pulp, charcoal paste, and a couple other colors.

Then again, whose to say you still couldn't do this as an RP type thing? Sure, it doesn't show as wearable, but going about making/wearing warpaint this way is a much more IC thing in my way of thinking.


~Mammoth Rider Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

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>>The way CJs are often used makes the game less skill based and more item-based when you have a hard time matching the +100 ranks in each of the 10 different skills they just boosted.<<

>Dance Dragon

- Mazrian

The Flying Company
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>>Which does not match the added SW + SUF + YS + MAF + SOP on scroll that you stacked along with your 10 CJs.<<

I'm willing to bet it does. <g>

- Mazrian

The Flying Company
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Making warpaint creatable with foraging skill would also give incentive to training that skill as a Barbarian.

- Simon

<<CJs are not available in some shop. They are player made.>>

<<I'm fine with War Paint being player made but don't just throw them in some open shop as it was suggested earlier. How is this hard to understand?>>

I knew a moonie on one of my old characters. Getting CJs was so easy for him they may as well have been from a shop. How hard is it to understand that there's not much difference?

<<To me it takes away some value when they're made into the 'default'.>>

You'll notice that a few posts ago I said I was for opening up the basic stuff but limiting the more advanced varieties, thereby making the higher tiers of the system anything but 'the default'.

<<I don't view it as everyday make-up that a Barbarian uses just to look cool all the time. I view it as a tool used when the Barbarian feels a situation calls for him/her to go all out.>>

According the the mini-test I did with the friend who had warpaint, the boost from basic warpaint is tiny and unreliable enough that if you're using that to 'go all out' it's kinda sad.

<<However, making the shop more available than they are currently (without turning them into everyday make-up stands) and later introducing player-made War Paint would likely shut both of us up.>>

Sure, I could live with that.

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[21:34] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "You are never too young for liquor."
[21:34] Your mind hears Kalnean thinking, "You don't have any kids, do you."
[21:35] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "I hope not."

<<There is a major difference between ordering them from a few MMs in the realms and dropping a store in the middle of the Crossing permanently>>

There was no mention of where the shop should be.

<<selling all kinds of CJs.>>

and I already said all but the basic should be limited in availability somehow.

<<a few MMs>>

If we're talking capped CJs, maybe. Do the boosts from basic warpaint come anywhere near those of a capped CJ in terms of usefulness?

<<Let's see... what if the war paint was brought around every 3 weeks? Every month and you managed to stock up on a ton? Would this even be an issue? I highly doubt it. I just think your arguments are based on your own inconvenience.>>

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but I'll give it a shot... yes, the shop coming around more often would get rid of the issue entirely. If it sells more than basic it'd be more than what I'm asking for here, but if that's the way it goes so be it.

<<Instead, let less skilled guild-members make them while the advanced paintsticks are made by more skilled Barbarians. Why take away potential for our guild (or any other guild depending on how the mech split goes) by opening up a permanent shop when we can instead provide more for smaller skilled players?>>

I have four words for you, my friend: Player-made crossbow ammo.

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[21:34] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "You are never too young for liquor."
[21:34] Your mind hears Kalnean thinking, "You don't have any kids, do you."
[21:35] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "I hope not."

>>I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but I'll give it a shot... yes, the shop coming around more often would get rid of the issue entirely.

I'm saying that if the shop came around more often then this thread wouldn't be nearly this long. Might not even exist. You're saying that basic war paint should always be available permanently, yet claiming that it wouldn't matter if you saw the shop a bit more.

>>I have four words for you, my friend: Player-made crossbow ammo.

What? That has nothing to do with the discussion. Because the GMs haven't yet allowed player-made crossbow ammo, that's a good enough reason to prevent less skilled players from making war paint? That makes no sense.

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Vinjince

>>I'm saying it should be more available than it is now. Permanently would be ideal; more frequently would be a good compromise. But I mentioned that earlier, didn't I?

And I mentioned that it should be available a lot more than it is. Simon stopped since there was nothing more to say, but then you made a big post about how it should be permanent. That's why we are where we are. If it was made more available then why all this fussing?

>>No, really, stop and think about it. You've got it backwards here - the GMs have kept good ammo rare in anticipation of player-made ammo, and it's frustrated nearly every crossbow user at some point in their career. For YEARS.

I'm aware of this. It's a similar situation with Thrown weapons, though probably not as bad.

>>You are okay with how things are set up now.

No. I believe the shop should be available more often, which is what you just said you'd be ok with. Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

>>That's fine, but don't use player-crafted warpaint as a way to undermine my request for more availability.

lol you were requesting for it to be PERMANENT. Infinite supply. That's the whole reason me and you were even discussing it. Now only more availability?

>>Or it could be done tomorrow. But I'm going to let Aurdun correct me on that, not you.

I'd love for Aurdun to correct us. It's entirely possible that there may not be a plan for it just yet.

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Vinjince

<<No. I believe the shop should be available more often>>

I misunderstood your stance, thinking it was offered as a compromise, hence the statement you quoted. My bad.

<<lol you were requesting for it to be PERMANENT. Infinite supply. That's the whole reason me and you were even discussing it. Now only more availability?>>

Permanent (in the case of basic) IS increased availability... and that aside, more availability (non-permanent) for the better warpaint varieties would be good too.

<<Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?>>

Aside from the parts of my posts agreeing to what I thought was a compromise, I've presented a differing viewpoint from your own that you've disagreed with. I stand by my belief that permanent (if inconvinient) availability of basic warpaint is the best way to go.

Now you, on the other hand, are attacking me after I already agreed to your viewpoint. THAT is arguing for the sake of arguing.

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[21:34] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "You are never too young for liquor."
[21:34] Your mind hears Kalnean thinking, "You don't have any kids, do you."
[21:35] Your mind hears Mujaki thinking, "I hope not."