The vision I get whenever someone says lodges is always the native american version of the sweat lodges that were used for spiritual enlightenment and religious reasons. I could see how some of the different tribes around DR could've adopted that sort of lodge for their gathering spots. As far as Masonic Lodges, I think that'd be more a Moonie or Trader thread honestly.

Kodius, How about updating the barbarian forges into Weaponsmithing halls or even full blown crafting halls? Give us anvils, tubs, and grindstones that are masterfully made for weaponsmithing. Things do not need to be masterful I guess, but it would be nice to have our forges upgraded and both of these systems are yours.

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Kertig Heart Magdar Bluefletch, Transcendent Barbarian of M'Riss

Kodius, you have commented in the past that the barb rewrite is done just waiting for the other systems to be released. I am chomping at the bit for access to some of the new (coming) barbarian items. The Grey Raven Scrip shop has some sweet items in it for most guilds (and yes that tunic for barbarians) and there are some sweet things in the end prizes for the Ghost Ship quest. But I would really like access to some of the new stuff now (even if the new functionality turned off). If you cannot release it with or without the new functionality working, how about adding vouchers for the new and improved chakral, warhorns and some of whatever else is coming as end prizes/scrip buyable. It would be a great teaser as we move closer to 3.0. Or just a comment saying that the Scrip Shop will eventually have some of these new items. This would be highly appreciated and help me and others make decisions on how we are spending our scrip.

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Kertig Heart Magdar Bluefletch, Bit Player of M'Riss

>>I seem to recall a couple Utility abilities in the new skill list? Will utility have to be worked from 0?

I'll sync with Kodius on that. I think they've been applied to a different skill, but he can confirm.

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"The ninety and nine are with dreams, content but the hope of the world made new, is the hundredth man who is grimly bent on making those dreams come true." -E.A.P.

I probably should have saved my questions for all at once...

I see no mention of Expertise. The other guild only skills (including the new ones like Theurgy and Summoning) have soft requirements. Does the concept still exist, and will it be released with 3.0?

>>It does exist, but the abilities that will use/train it won't be available until after X3 releases. Once they get released, the req will be instantiated and gradfathering will occur.

Ok, thanks.

>>Less a complaint, and more of a difference of opinion, but considering it's supposed to be one of the focuses of the guild, I'm disappointed Warding doesn't have more emphasis.

I was initially thinking that Augmentation and Warding should have been switched, but then I looked at the ability pool (old and new) and it seems in line. Emphasis 1A is magic resistance, but unlettered emphasis #1 is is being awesome at combat.

A good analogy is small edge for Necros, I think: very important thematically, but a tert skill, so you have to find a nice medium ground between fitting theme and not making people overtrain tertiary skills.

It's not like you couldn't train it the same as augmentation, anyways. Should be easy.

Seems pretty straightforward, Socharis. My only real question is...

<<* You have a Mastery requirement on par with your primary weapon reqs. This means that you need to decide on a branch of weapons (melee or ranged) to stick with.>>

What exactly does that mean? We will only be able to train one? I thought both skills were going to be introduced and trainable, or am I wrong and we'll need to pick one or the other to have in the skill set?

My only complaint is that Offhand doesn't count for the weapon reqs. It's currently my second weapon, so it may just be me.

>>Why is thievery resrticted from barbarians? stealing COULD count toward barbarian survivals in 2.0 reqs.

Because it's not thematically something any barbarian guildleader would use as a gauge for how skilled a barbarian is.

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"The ninety and nine are with dreams, content but the hope of the world made new, is the hundredth man who is grimly bent on making those dreams come true." -E.A.P.

Stupid question - and I am sure it was discussed before and I forget - how much of a role does stats play in spells/roars/berserks/forms if we now have a skill to gauge them?

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

>>Currently : Barbs can circle on stealing, Bards cannot.

Incorrect. Bards Can (mine does).

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>>stats play in spells/roars/berserks/forms if we now have a skill to gauge them

We are moving to a centralized "contest" system so spells and abilities will all factor in stats the same way depending on the contest. For example, Save vs Fear is one most roars will use. Here, the Barbarian's charisma matter's most just like it does now.

Discipline will continue to have a small impact on forms and meditations, and stamima/strength/agility on berserking - just not to the effect it does now, and not with the cross-penalization we currently have. ie. discipline won't penalize your berserking potential.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Since we now have magic requirements (OK, OK Supernatural requirements) to circle, I would like to start training them. Get a jump on the new reqs so to speak. Is there a good reason (coming abilities or penalties) that I should consider before starting to listen to (YUCK) magic classes?

Oh and Kodius, how abouturningng off the penalties for training these soon to be required guild skills now please?

My thanks.

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Glenn Cover mind behind Kertig Heart Magdar Bluefletch, Bit Player of M'Riss



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every critter you kill is essentially "grave-robbed" of its loot, its skin and its clothes <armor if worn>.



"we're doing it for the good of mankind," said the philosophers of murder, waiting for the rest of the world to congratulate them"-Elie Wiesel <the gates of the forest>

>>Is there a good reason (coming abilities or penalties) that I should consider before starting to listen to (YUCK) magic classes?

Remember that barbarians specifically will get Inner Fire grandfathered up to at-circle. If you think you can get Inner Fire / PM higher than it will be at your current circle, then feel free to train it, but it's probably not a phenominal use of your time since you'd get those ranks for free normally.

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"The ninety and nine are with dreams, content but the hope of the world made new, is the hundredth man who is grimly bent on making those dreams come true." -E.A.P.

How much Inner fire will it actually take to "fuel" our various abilities?

Generally for MUs, you can pretty much tell how much TM it takes to wipe out a specific critter because its more or less in line with the Weapon skill required to do so. So usually a mage has a certain about of PM fuelling his spells, etc. But we're in sort of uncharted waters here with the new barb reqs. We don't know for instance how long a 100 ranks of inner fire will fuel a berserk, roar, or dance.

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"we're doing it for the good of mankind," said the philosophers of murder, waiting for the rest of the world to congratulate them"-Elie Wiesel <the gates of the forest>

The reqs look good to me. Slightly surprised we didn't get either a soft or hard Defending req of some sort, but that doesn't bother me either.

Thanks for all the hard work Socharis.

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Ogdaro
"Take chances and see what you can get away with, it only costs you a favor or two if you mess up." -Issus

The requirements look fine on the whole, but...

<<Because it's not thematically something any barbarian guildleader would use as a gauge for how skilled a barbarian is.

Except for those pesky Island guildleaders, right? Let's just forget about P4 and brush the whole culture and character of the region under the rug. Crazy smugglers, pirates, assassins, and thieves the lot of them.

I honestly get the "idea" about restricting the skill, but let's be frank: it's years too late. Years and years. The argument came up in 98 and 99 and was forcefully put to bed.

With the exception of Paladins (and arguably Warrior Mages based on guild lore) there's no reason any guild with a survival requirement would not recognize Thievery as meritorious for the purposes of advancement.

While not every Barbarian guildleader would necessarily look at Thievery and go "You're obviously doing well as a Barbarian!" you can easily see Anhh'shre, Tusfaov, and/or Stumara going "Hey, nice moves!"

Leej - please don't derail a good informative thread about something the vast majority of people literally don't care about.

Thanks in advance.

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