>We uh...kind of want/need "Supernatural" ranks. At least under the new system, they determine our ability use.

He(she?) is talking about how some of our more magic inclined abilities may use real magic magic skills (such as Arcana), and they have been mentioned to have undescribed costs associated with them.

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>I might be chiming in a bit late but my only concern about the new list is the name of some of the abilities.

I thought there was a big disclaimer about names being tentative?

I'm not a barbarian, but I'd like to request that the names of the forms scale inversely with the usefulness. For example, to get their strongest anti-magic barrier, a barbarian should have to dance sparkling pony. Thank you.

>That's fine as long as mages have to sprinkle themselves with fairy dust and chant "pretty preTTY RAINBOWS!" before casting any electricity or water spell

...you might want to look at cleric communes before suggesting that.

<<dance sparkling pony

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Not enough dance type stuff for non berserking Barbs,also didnt see where dual load was incorperated.Those types of abilities should be availible to whatever path you choose since it is not a guild exclusive ability.

My guess is dual load/dual throw will end up in the weapon feats that we're getting and not tied to any specific ability.

even have a few shield bashing manuvers for brawling after you hit a certain skill in shields, honestly i think a barb beating things with his hands would use a shield strapped to his arm to cuase some damage on there victim, especially when berserking!

There will be much discussion at the Con. Still time to sign up :P


Really though, I plan to post lots more specifics once the beans have been spilled there!

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Any new titles to accompany the new abilities and paths?

~ Bractos

Not sure if its been discussed or suggested yet, but since sharkteeth might not have a place, why not allow them to ease the innerfire cost of abilities their linked too or grant bonus durations. Rather than their current form which may not be needed in 3.0
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While I did talk to Kodius about barbarian stuff at the Con, most of the discussions were about crafting. The one thing I can tell you here is that Everyone attending the con will have access to the test instance AND.... By the end of August we will be able to start testing the new barbrian and combat abilities there. So REAL SOON we should start getting some feedback on what is comeing.

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>The zerks seem to be all short lived now and dancing is now the only real sustainable bonus.

I don't see the issue. Berserks will be quick to start, short term boosts, while dances are slower to start but longer term. There's nothing inherent to the system to prevent you from zerking back to back to back.

It may be slightly more annoying, but you can't have everything.

>So basically my near 70 circles of pushing my stats to min/max zerking will backfire tremendously when i have to rely on a dance with no discipline heh. Do i need to immediately start pushing every TDP i get into discipline so i can be viable with this release?

First off, the new system will basically remove most of the annoying things about our abilities, such as being penalized for having better stats.

Second, there will be a complete TDP refund at about the same time as this is released.

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To answer the actual question:

<<Will there still be a niche barbarian who can rely on zerks that the current system allows?

Not if he wants to be effective, no. If he's comfortable with unnecessarily handicapping himself, however, he can do nothing but berserk to his heart's content.

You'll also be wanting to train every stat in 3.0 for magic resistance purposes, so the berserking Barb as it exists currently is a dead man walking. Fortunately, we're all getting a free stat retrain in 3.0, so we can fix whatever quirks we have.

>>Magic Resistance will become active, and thus fall under the Warding skill. I'm not sure if stats will play into it but Warding will be the main pillar behind BMR.

I definately remember this being said. I forget though, did they clarify that ALL passive MR is going away? Basically the MR that everyone has, or just BMR is going away and becoming active? Basically want to know is everyone's basic MR becoming active under the warding skill?

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>>Specifically, if magic resistance takes one entire berserk, that only leaves you one other berserk to use.

This is what was mentioned: "Assuming you have the skill, you can activate up to 4 forms, 2 berserks, a meditation, and a roar at the same time."

I'm not sure if the above means you can only ever have 2 berserks up at once. As far as we know, you may be able to sub out 2 forms for 1 berserk or something which would change the equation to 4 berserks, a meditation and a roar at the same time. Just a guess on my part though.

>>I think so. In effect, the only way to resist magic will be through your (presumably enhanced) stats and Warding abilities.

This is my understanding.

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Alright so i saw someone mention that are stats will no longer have any negatives on our abilities...do we know yet how our stats effect the abilities we do have? Or is this going to be pure skill based?

Also, do we know anything about roar intimidation? Will that change as well?

>>... roars are how Barbarians reach out and touch others ...

lol thank you for this. <3

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>>A Barbarian trying to specialize in berserking and forsaking forms/meditations under 3.0 is going to be suboptimal. They may not even be capable of hunting at level, which is supposed to be a very bad thing.

And who's to say that forms will be able to sustain a Barb on their own? Berserks will be MORE powerful. If caps are placed in 3.0, that could easily mean bonuses provided to forms WON'T be capped since berserks (being more powerful) would not exceed the cap. Thus, berserks will be more optimal!!! Forms need to be better!

Anyone can run in circles and complain about how things will or will not be. That's what we're trying to point out to you. Wait until it comes out or is tested before going too wild with theories.

Kodius stated that the limitation is 4 forms, 2 berserks, 1 meditation and 1 roar at the same time. He also stated a Barb could potentially choose to stack abilities to favor a certain type. Meaning, 5 forms 1 berserk 1 meditation. 3 forms, 3 berserks, 2 roars. 3 forms, 4 berserks, 1 meditations. If the particular abilities are able to be stacked w/o being too powerful or overwhelming on inner fire, you WILL be able to adjust your boosts. These limitations were stated to be those of a 150th (or equivalently top scale) Barb.

Hope that clears it up some.

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>>All forms of passive MR and BMR are going away. I believe Armifer stated this very recently in another folder.

He did.

>>Warding (to my knowledge) will be the only fuel for BMR and other MR abilities. However, it'd be nice to know if certain stats will actually help the Warding skill.

Warding won't contest magic directly, but instead will act as a gateway skill (think Primary Magic) for activating defensive abilities. We considered making a direct "magic defense skill," but the logistics of doing it would've been nightmarish.

To use another guild as example, Worm's Mist will require Warding to successfully cast. The Necromancer's Warding will directly affect how much Potency, Duration and Integrity he can squeeze into a particular use of it, but once the spell is up that's it. It's now Worm's Mist's Potency versus incoming spells' Integrity, the Warding skill has no more part in it.

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