>>It seems like the list is pretty set in terms of maintaining barb anti-magic supremacy while also offering a huge range of flexible boosts/utility options.

That's what it looks like. And yes, there was no mention of not being able to use forms with Serenity.

Question for Kodius: Will inner fire still have such a huge downtime after death? Or will this change based on how many ranks a Barb has?

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A lot of these look fantastic. The ones that I think I'd go for right now are:

Hawk
Piranha
Owl
Wolf
Lynx
Slash the Shadows
Monkey
Turtle
Contemplation
Sacrifice
Serenity
Bat
Anger the Earth
Serpent's Hiss
Wail
Focus

If berserks are short term buffs, I won't be getting them. My question is can we make "packages" so we don't have to activate everything we want individually?

An expertise for thrown could be to throw weapons from both hands at the same time.

>>My question is can we make "packages" so we don't have to activate everything we want individually?

This. The way we can customize are stances could be used so we can pre-set different ability packages.

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>>3. Is Theorist equivalent to the Recognize Patterns magic technique? If so I don't think it should require more than one slot or two at the most since Barbarians are NMUs.

The intention is to give Barbarians that are willing to eat Arcana ranks the same potential to recognize unlearned spells that MUs will have.

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<<I would argue that most guilds have ways to bonus their magical defenses too... >>

proposed trader ability. hide behind yak. :-)???

seriously though, abilities sound pretty awesome. Although I too thought I was reading the clerics guild spells in some areas. Coming back from the dead? I hope there's a quest for the "sacrifice" meditation that is similar in difficulty to MF. :-).

I am curious as to How do you see all these abilities being used in actual game-play?

Barbarian puts up meditiation first, then uses a form, dances, then berserks if needed? or... exactly how would this play out in practice?

another question, with the "toad" form you mention resistance to cold and heat. Does this apply only to "heat" and "cold" type attacks, or would it include "atmosphere" type things introduced recently? <i am thinking specifically of the "desert heatstroke" introduced recently near the oasis by muspar'i.

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Will the costs for unlearning abilities be the same under 3.0 (ie money, TDPs, etc,) or is that being looked into as well since TDP gaining will be changing?

Even a grace period for a limited time after the rewrites would be nice since all the guilds are getting new spells and abilities, and there will probably be a lot of learning/unlearning going on while we test what they all do.

Impressive List. You guys deserve it.

I'm rather jealous.

I feel some people are missing one very crucial piece of the puzzle for why this list appears so amazing when compared to all of the other spell lists which have been posted. The major reason for why this list appears to offer so many more options is because it is a comprehensive list of all of a Barbarian’s abilities.

Only spell lists have been posted for the other guilds. What remains to be posted for those guilds are their respective sets of abilities which companion, but function outside of, the realm of spells. As an example, Warrior Mages have the Summoning and Pathway systems that still remain to be fleshed out. Necromancers have Rissen, Bards still have Evokes, Bluffs and Screams, and so on for the other guilds as well.

This list truly is amazing and I believe it sets the bar for what all of the other guilds can expect in regards to options and fun :)

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Few quick questions. Will Hawk allow us to use a shield with a stick bow? Will it also give a bonus to load times?

Not sure if you're taking suggestions on added abilities.. But just in case here goes.
Lizard or Chameleon form. (might need to fall under a meditation)
Would fall under the predator path and allows the barbarian a self invisibility. Would also mesh with guild lore I believe. I remember reading awhile back about Telfogli being able to vanish and surprise people, even to the point that it would bother the other guild leaders.

Good idea... just an add on that thought. The fact a lion is considered the king of the jungle or <lioness> and is good at hiding before pouncing. Should be a a good form for hiding


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I don't think Barbs are getting invisibility.

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-GM Abasha

traders can use the elipse for invis, but it requires ranks in devices <now arcana> to use.

so, aside from cloaks, barbarians will pretty much be the non-invisible folks. But then, when you think of barbarian combat, you don't really think of the invisible guy in the shadows, you think of someone wading two-fisted into battle and slaughtering whatever is in the way.

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<<but one of the points of this change was to be able to create a wide variety of Barbarian types.>>

Which is entirely possible. The lack of invisibility does not negate the variety of Barbarian available.


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I've got a great compromise.

Lets get a roar that causes hysterical blindness.

Then, everyone's invisible.

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Please give us plenty of time to preview all this new stuff before making us get locked into picking things, I have a feeling the learning curve will be a bit more for what works for us then our current combat system. Even with the ability to unlearn abilities with time it would be frustrating to say the least while everything is so new.

I'd also like to get some idea of what the progression rate for learning new abilities are... Right now you learn a new roar at 5th and then every 10 circles after, all dances learned by 60th and berserks are just a weird progression as is... Will it be more like spell slots where we get x amount of abilities and a new one every few circles or what?

Oh and explain more about the amount of inner fire used if you can... is it going to be like a mana pool now that increases with the power of the barb or static as it is now with 150th and 1st circle's having the same sized pool?

Everything looks great so far, glad to see we aren't being left in the dust with 3.0!

one thing i didn't see listed is the <brawling> "choke" command. with brawling being combined into something? will this still be possible for barbarians?

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Sorry if this stuff was covered in another post.


Contemplation - Provides a bonus to all defenses for a moderate amount of time.

This is likely to be one of the go-to meditations and the wording indicates that it has a set duration but since meditations can't be started in combat you'll have to do some funky shenanigans to keep this up while hunting.

My other concern is with expertise. Choosing a weapon at first circle with either no way or no easy way to re-choose will be a burden for new players. I don't know about you but I tend to sample weapons a lot when I first make a new character and don't really pick which to train until around 100 ranks. Having to gain expertise ranks from the start to circle will either force all rookies down the same path "just take brawling, it's the least likely to be regretted" or cause a new player to choose something that won't work with his style/gear/RP later on. I'd rather see expertise bonused - greatly - with your chosen weapon but not required to actually train and getting to choose your weapon focus at 50th and 100th or your weapon focus is simply your top two weapon skills, then there's no mess with a quest and people can re-choose by backtraining.

I didn't read it as you HAVE to choose at first, but that the first choice comes at first.

You can wait, and when you are ready then choose...


Sorta like roars are now. You get your choices at certain levels, you don't have to choose anything, and when you are ready you go "pick" them out....