>Well, nothing was changed with regards to what happens when you run out of fatigue. You'll have a nice 99% penalty to just about everything though. Are you saying the penalty wasn't present? You should also notice RTs increasing a bit?

In Plat at least, having 0 fatigue doesn't increase weapon RTs, or seem to cause any other issue with combat. My claymore stayed at 3/5/6 for jab/slice/chop, same at 100% fatigue.

standard new accts put the newbie in either crossing or haven, so it would have to work both places. Perhaps keep the veteran <and sir robyn, which fulfils this function in riverhaven>, and have the voucher be able to be turned into either npcharacter. The idea behind the veteran/robyn, is to get the new player used to negotiating the streets of the city, and find their way around.

<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

I'm all for helping newbies out, but I kind of like the idea of them starting with crappy gear, and being able to upgrade to storebought gear. It instills a sense of accomplishment. I remember being pretty pumped I could afford Ironworks gear.

GSIV uses the 'sprite quest' to get the average newb acquainted to the game, although that's new from GSIII, which gave you your first level for running around town following the various DIRections but never prompted you to do so (you can actually do both now and effectively get your first two levels almost instantly when you consider the additional effects of 'gift of luminus'). It's this short little quest that gets you acquainted with movement, DIRections, speech, npcs interaction, the ORDER system (to buy things), some shop locations, simple combat commands, get you enough silvers to pay off your debt (really makes starting debt obsolete), and presents some etiquette like tipping a cleric when you get raised. DR is a much more complex game, but something similar would be nice. Maybe a brief guild-joining quest instead of a paragraph about how you joined the guild and half hour speech from the guild leader?

That said, there are also giant signs in crossing (been a while since I looked at what was actually in haven but I'm sure it's similar) and lots of help for newbs from the player base.

And while I'm sure we all turn them off, isn't there a "I'm brand spankin' new to this, I don't even know how to move! HELP!!" option in CM?

--Wryhk

1st grade tl;dr version:

Numbers didn't change. Words changed. Words don't matter. Numbers all that matters.

--GRIM45

Found a small bug in Kaldar newbie armor. The tunic they receive now covers both arms as well as chest, abdomen, and back. They also receive (same as before) a set of bracers that covers both arms. Both come worn out of the character generator, but once the bracers or tunic are removed, they can not be worn again while the other is worn due to overlapping protection. Either the tunic needs to go back to just torso only, or the bracers should be swapped for a piece of armor that covers a different body part.

>>Store bought gear is still better than what the new starting gear is. There is a difference between crappy and useless though.

A tier 4 (forged capped steel) weapon is only going to be 15% more effective than a starter blade in 3.0. I can't see why this is a problem. It isn't like we can just give new players icesteel mirror blades infused with blackfire armageddon .... >:|

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>It isn't like we can just give new players icesteel mirror blades infused with blackfire armageddon

Someone make a note of this for when enchanting comes out. I'm pretty sure he just slipped and gave us some clues to what the best set-ups for some crafting items will be.

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>>It isn't like we can just give new players icesteel mirror blades infused with blackfire armageddon .... >:|

>We can't?

http://www.searchenginepeople.com/i/yes-we-can.jpg

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You're going to get a bad reputation if you go around pinching every spectral reaper you see.

>>>Store bought gear is still better than what the new starting gear is. There is a difference between crappy and useless though.

That was actually defending your change, not insulting it, well it was insulting the 2.0 starting gear and all tier 1 weapons.

But that's what they get for being tier 1.

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>Yeah but I fixed it?

Yup. This was just last night I was killing rats with a circle 1 dwarf with 10 strength and with the starting SB and only 4 ranks of skill. 7-10 swings, 4 rt, so 28 to 40 seconds... which is exactly in the range of 3.0 combat, except Mutli blades and bows and slings, : D

<< >>I'm glad to see at two or three people are validating what I posted a few days ago about rats and newbie characters

Yeah but I fixed it?
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I read that yesterday! I haven't had time to go in and reroll to newbie and test it myself yet but I will.

>>That seems really low to me, the starter weapons are junk.

Did you miss the part where I went back and re-vamped all the starter weapons the other day? Starter weapons are no longer Tier 1 crap, they are high Tier 2 or low Tier 3.

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- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

I didnt miss the part where you re-vamped the starter weapons and i still stand by it saying 15% is a really small difference between a high tier 2 or low tier 3 starter weapon you get for free and a capped forged steel weapon which is tier 4.

If advice was any good, they wouldn't give it out for free.

I think the issue is that, at times, some don't fully understand how crafted gear scales. The differences between tiers aren't always that massive when you look at metal mixes sharing similar densities/volumes.

IMO, the stat differences usually come into play when you end up increasing/decreasing densities. People also sometimes compare something with a very high volume vs something with a very low volume, so the differences are much more highlighted there, as well. These highlights happen more when you're dealing with high volume items that have different densities, as well. The difference between a 1 volume weapon having 3 or 7.5 density isn't going to be as notable as a 10 volume weapon having 3 or 7.5 density.

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That has a nice ring to it.

If you slam the new critter stuff to -1, then anyone with store or forged gear blows them up.

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<I just want my weapon to glow so I can see in the dark!

I think of lord of the rings swords glowing in the presence of orcs and it makes me laugh, cuz in DR version they will only glow in the presence of (gasp) ARMADILLOS!

<It just didn't make sense to hand out weapons with stats so crappy they were completely unusable.

Little off track here, but while the subject of crappy weapons was at hand... Is there anything on the board as a niche for throwing daggers? I've done a bit of testing with a bunch of daggers I bought from the last fest. They seem to hit exactly the same as a regular old throwing blade taken out of a 5 stack, very underwhelming (always been the case) I thought maybe a poison application bonus or something would be possible because at the moment there is no reason to ever use them in leiu of throwing blades and other hard hitting LT's like throwing clubs and light throwing axes. Seems a shame because I always liked some of the throwing daggers and it would be cool to have a use for them.

FWIW, I rolled up a Prydaen newb in Test and after some time (c.a. 10-15 minutes) managed to kill a rat with the starting bola, taking no damage in the process. While the kill wasn't particularly quick, I was able to do it in relative safety and ranked everything combat-related to 3-5 or so with one critter. All in all, I think that's perfectly acceptable for a newbie.

~player of Gulphphunger

Uhh, you should be killing a single rat in under 2 minutes post Kodius's change.

~ Leilond
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We'll be doing some more directed testing now that the holidays have passed.

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