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SAVEARO

Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 08:23 PM CST

>><<A slender liscis with a leather-wrapped hilt is a heavy edged melee-ranged weapon.>>

A genuine newbie is unlikely to have this type of weapon.

suggestion: try with the weapons you get straight out of the CM, or from the veteran, or from Milgryms, and try using just the attack verb, and see how long it takes. This would most likely be the closest approximation of exp for a genuine new player.<<

Did it with a 5th level barb with all Crossing's starter gear. Not sure what the liscis has over a Crossing's broadsword or the xing broad over the liscis, but the liscis didn't help any. I did use the attack verb for the trader and used it for the barb as well. Basically 4-5 minutes to kill one rat on the barb and didn't kill a rat on the trader. I walked off with him and switched to the barb.

DANFORDS2

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 08:41 PM CST

>so I'd have to wait

I got extremely fatigued, but was able to kill one by Thrusting repeatedly. Kill one, then wait.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

TEVESHSZAT

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 08:42 PM CST

>>Which brings me to my complaint, Who and What should we be testing? I feel like if the staff wants or needs bodies in the instance a lot could be done if someone just said something.

The main issue with testing is that it's a very wide net right now. Testing specifics only works when it's something super specific, like "test forging" or "test this quest".

This is a "test everything" kind of situation. Just do what you normally do, and see if something is either too easy/too hard/wonky messaging/etc.

>>Not sure what the liscis has over a Crossing's broadsword or the xing broad over the liscis, but the liscis didn't help any.

A liscis is practically the same as a crossing broadsword. It's nothing fancy.

>>At the same point I think test still has enough bugs that its not prime time ready, but we are at a point where there arnt enough testers on test to find the bugs so either

AFAIK, most stuff at this point is just fine tuning things. It's not that buggy. It just needs balancing.

What is going on in Test is not a buggy version of 3.0. It's more... "well X damage needs to be increased" and "Y isn't working as well as I would expect it to". Still important, but not exactly buggy.

The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

MELLIONM6

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 08:44 PM CST

I'd still like to see rats, frogs and louts have a current health cap at 70% of their max.

--Wryhk

1st grade tl;dr version:

Numbers didn't change. Words changed. Words don't matter. Numbers all that matters.

--GRIM45

MELLIONM6

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 10:06 PM CST

My trader was able to kill rats in under a minute with some master-crafted hunthslegs. They were orasteel hunts (forging XP seems just about right) and I had 37 melee mastery (got to 11/34 in melee mastery anyhow in about 2 minutes, 12/34 in polearms), 15 strenth, and 11 agility. With 22 stamina, I was able to repeated thrust for 2 minutes non-stop without completely tanking my fatigue. Thrusts had 6 seconds RTs.

On a related note, I peppered rats by throwing the hunts as well. Quite effective, even from 0 ranks. However, I did also have 42 missile mastery which I learned at the same rate as HT. It looks like masteries can learn when they shouldn't, though I imagine that's already been addressed somewhere.

--Wryhk

1st grade tl;dr version:

Numbers didn't change. Words changed. Words don't matter. Numbers all that matters.

--GRIM45

SAVEARO

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/28/2012 10:36 PM CST

Barb - Level 5

Strength : 17 Reflex : 12
Agility : 13 Charisma : 9
Discipline : 11 Wisdom : 9
Intelligence : 10 Stamina : 14

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Shield Usage: 18 89% clear (0/34) Light Armor: 25 38% very rapt (31/34)
Chain Armor: 1 61% clear (0/34) Plate Armor: 0 44% clear (0/34)
Defending: 22 02% analyzing (18/34) Parry Ability: 24 13% concentrating (9/34)
Small Edged: 21 74% clear (0/34) Large Edged: 28 46% intrigued (16/34)
Twohanded Edged: 4 00% clear (0/34) Small Blunt: 2 00% clear (0/34)
Large Blunt: 2 00% clear (0/34) Twohanded Blunt: 2 00% clear (0/34)
Bow: 17 38% clear (0/34) Crossbow: 7 01% clear (0/34)
Brawling: 15 41% clear (0/34) Melee Mastery: 25 09% scrutinizing (17/34)
Missile Mastery: 12 00% clear (0/34) Inner Fire: 6 00% clear (0/34)
Augmentation: 6 00% clear (0/34) Debilitation: 3 00% clear (0/34)
Utility: 0 02% clear (0/34) Warding: 3 00% clear (0/34)
Evasion: 17 79% very rapt (31/34) Athletics: 16 59% clear (0/34)
Perception: 22 66% clear (0/34) Stealth: 13 26% dabbling (1/34)
Locksmithing: 10 59% clear (0/34) First Aid: 10 00% clear (0/34)
Outdoorsmanship: 9 06% clear (0/34) Skinning: 20 16% clear (0/34)
Scholarship: 23 60% clear (0/34) Mechanical Lore: 1 16% clear (0/34)
Appraisal: 16 83% clear (0/34) Tactics: 24 04% clear (0/34)

All Crossing's starter gear. Both kills took little over two minutes. I had no trouble staying at melee with 4 rats and the exp gain is fairly decent. The killing is just... underwhelming. Having to hack away at a rat for 2 or so minutes is really discouraging. I'll gladly use a forged sword if anyone would like to provide it.

< Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's chest.
[You're nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>att
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's abdomen.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You fend off little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
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The rain slacks off somewhat.
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* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You turn aside little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>att
>att
...wait 1 seconds.
>
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a good hit to the rat's right arm.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, just managing to get out of a tight spot.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You fend off little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
>att
< Driving in like an adept combatant, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a good hit to the rat's left arm.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You knock aside little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, just managing to get out of a tight spot.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You turn aside little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>att
...wait 1 seconds.
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's chest.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Moving well, a ship's rat claws at you. You attempt to dodge. The claw lands a glancing strike to your left leg.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>att
...wait 2 seconds.
>
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, ducking in the nick of time.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving like a striking snake, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's right arm.
[You're nimbly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You knock aside little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, barely managing to get out of the way.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You repulse little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
>
< Moving in with powerful grace, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's left hand.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You beat off little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's right arm.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, barely managing to get out of the way.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, barely stepping to one side.
[You're nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, ducking in the nick of time.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>
* As if effort and skill were a bad thing, a ship's rat claws at you. You evade, twisting to one side.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you draw a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's left arm.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 5 sec.]
>
You've gained a new rank in maneuvering in overall defense.
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, barely stepping to one side.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with no advantage.]
>att
< Moving like a striking snake, you draw a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's left leg.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 5 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, stepping aside in the nick of time.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>exp

Circle: 5
Showing all skills with field experience.

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Light Armor: 25 38% riveted (28/34) Defending: 22 02% intrigued (16/34)
Parry Ability: 24 07% ruminating (8/34) Large Edged: 28 40% understanding (14/34)
Melee Mastery: 25 03% absorbing (15/34) Evasion: 17 68% riveted (28/34)
Tactics: 23 99% dabbling (1/34)

Total Ranks Displayed: 164
Time Development Points: 178 Favors: 4 Deaths: 0 Departs: 0
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
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* Looking as if this were a bad idea, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away some of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
>att
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's left leg.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're tired, solidly balanced with no advantage.]
>att
< Moving in with powerful grace, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a glancing blow to the rat's right arm.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Moving in like a timid schoolboy, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, leaning to one side.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, ducking in the nick of time.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's left leg.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely managing to get out of the way.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* As if effort and skill were a bad thing, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You dodge.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
>att
< Driving in like an adept combatant, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's chest.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You knock aside little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You evade, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving like a striking snake, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's left hand.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, stepping aside in the nick of time.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in excellent position.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, just stepping out of harm's way.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You fend off little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving in with powerful grace, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a strong hit that just barely penetrates the skin to nick the stomach ('Tis but a scratch!), lightly stunning it.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>att
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a strong hit that tears a painful cut across the knuckle of the left thumb, lightly stunning it.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, managing to get out of the way with a minimum of effort.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a hard hit that raps it sharply across the knuckles.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely twisting out of a tight spot.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, barely stepping to one side.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
...wait 1 seconds.
>att
< Moving with powerful grace, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a solid hit that barely pierces the skin to nick the chest, lightly stunning it.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Looking as if this were a bad idea, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, stepping aside.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
The ship's rat teeters and nearly falls over.
>
* Apparently without direction or thought, a ship's rat claws at you. You repulse some of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
>l rat
You see a ship's rat.
The ship's rat has faint scuffing to the right foreleg, faint scuffing to the left foreleg, tiny scratches to the left hindleg, minor swelling and bruising around the right hand compounded by cuts and bruises about the right hand, a severely swollen and deeply bruised left hand compounded by deep cuts across the left hand, minor swelling and bruising in the chest area compounded by cuts and bruises about the chest area, minor swelling and bruising in the abdomen compounded by cuts and bruises about the abdomen.
The ship's rat is bleeding slightly from the left foreleg.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying nothing!

>att
< Moving with powerful grace, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a strong hit that scratches it in a slash from behind, lightly stunning it.
[You're tired, solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
The ship's rat slowly tips over and falls down.
>
* Moving well, a ship's rat bites at you. You attempt to evade. The teeth lands a light hit to your left arm.
[You're bruised, tired, solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
>
< Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a strong hit that tears the skin over the left elbow.
The ship's rat screams one last time and lies still.
[You're solidly balanced]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]

Kill number #2

>att
< Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a good hit to the rat's chest.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
The ship's rat closes to melee range on you!
>
The ship's rat closes to pole weapon range on you!
>att
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's left leg.
[You're nimbly balanced and in good position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* As if effort and skill were a bad thing, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, jumping to one side.
[You're nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
The ship's rat closes to melee range on you!
>att
...wait 1 seconds.
>
* Apparently without direction or thought, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, stepping aside.
[You're nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you draw a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's chest.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 5 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely twisting out of harm's reach.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You dodge, leaning to one side with no room to spare.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>att
>
...wait 1 seconds.
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's chest.
[You're winded, adeptly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, ducking in the nick of time.
[You're winded, adeptly balanced and in very strong position.]
>
* As if fumbling muscle flab were natural, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, stepping clear of danger.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
>att
< Moving with powerful grace, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, stepping partially into the shot. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's left arm.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely managing to get out of the way.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You turn aside little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
>att
< Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat dodges. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's right leg.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Moving in like a timid schoolboy, a ship's rat bites at you. You fend off some of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>
A ship's rat makes a small, shrill, hissing noise.
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, barely stepping to one side.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>att
< Driving in like an adept combatant, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's right leg.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>att
< Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's chest.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You fend off little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You counter little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>att
...wait 1 seconds.
>
A ship's rat scurries into view.
>att
< Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, stepping partly into the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit to the rat's left arm.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You deflect little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, just managing to get out of a tight spot.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You evade, ducking in the nick of time.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>att
< Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you draw a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a hard hit to the rat's right arm.
[You're tired, adeptly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 5 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You repulse little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, adeptly balanced and in strong position.]
>
A ship's rat scrapes its claws along the ground, setting your teeth on edge.
>att
You bob suddenly, lowering yourself into a smaller target.
[You're tired, adeptly balanced and in dominating position.]
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>
* Apparently without direction or thought, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away some of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
>att
< Moving with incredible power and control, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, stepping partly into the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's right arm.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
The ship's rat begins to advance on you!
The ship's rat is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in superior position.]
>att
< Moving like a striking snake, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit that nicks the rat's left forearm.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in excellent position.]
>att
>
The ship's rat closes to pole weapon range on you!
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You repulse little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike to the rat's abdomen.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You evade, just stepping out of harm's way.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
The ship's rat closes to melee range on you!
>att
>
* Tentatively, a ship's rat bites at you. You knock aside some of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>
< Driving in like an adept combatant, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a light hit to the rat's back.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>
* Moving in like a timid schoolboy, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, leaning to one side.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
A ship's rat scurries into view.
>
* With inept movements, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You knock aside little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>att
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you jab a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a grazing blow to the rat's chest.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat claws at you. You slap away little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>att
* Moving well, a ship's rat claws at you. You attempt to dodge. The claw lands a light hit to your chest.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>
* Apparently without direction or thought, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, moving out of the way.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
< Driving in like an adept combatant, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a good strike that thumps it in the gut (it's the thought that counts).
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>att
< Driving in with naturally fluid movements, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a good strike that just barely penetrates the skin to nick the stomach ('Tis but a scratch!), lightly stunning it.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
The ship's rat slowly tips over and falls down.
>
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You deflect little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, just managing to get out of a tight spot.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>
* With inept movements, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in superior position.]
>att
< Moving in with powerful grace, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a good strike that barely pierces the skin to nick the chest.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
A ship's rat scurries southeast.
>
* Trying inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in very strong position.]
>att
* Attacking inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, leaning to one side with no room to spare.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
< Moving with powerful grace, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to evade, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a solid hit that rips a small chunk of flesh from the rat's left forearm.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat slices wide at you. You slap away little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You slap away little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* Inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You dodge, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>att
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow. The broadsword lands a hard hit that painfully mashes several toes of the left foot.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
The ship's rat climbs to its feet.
>
* Looking as if this were a bad idea, a ship's rat claws at you. You knock aside some of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
>att
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat bites at you. You evade, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in better position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You fend off little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, only partially avoiding the impact. The broadsword lands a hard hit that wounds it deeply across the upper left arm, lightly stunning it.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and overwhelming opponent.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You fend off little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in good position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat claws at you. You evade, barely leaning out of harm's reach.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
>att
< Moving like a striking snake, you feint a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, twisting partially away from much of the blow. The broadsword lands a solid hit that scratches the right hamstring in a light blow barely worth mentioning.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 4 sec.]
>
* With inexpert timing, a ship's rat claws at you. You turn aside little of the claw with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced with no advantage.]
>
* With inept movements, a ship's rat bites at you. You beat off little of the teeth with a broadsword.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>
* Moving inexpertly, a ship's rat bites at you. You dodge, leaning to one side with no room to spare.
[You're bruised, tired, nimbly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>att
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you slice a broadsword at a ship's rat. A ship's rat fails to evade, only slightly avoiding the blow. The broadsword lands a strong hit that nearly tears the entire left quadricep clean from the bone.
The ship's rat falls to the ground and lies still.
[You're nimbly balanced]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]

You see a ship's rat, which is dead.
The ship's rat has tiny scratches to the right foreleg, a severely swollen and deeply bruised left arm compounded by deep slashes across the left arm, minor swelling and bruising around the right leg compounded by cuts and bruises about the right leg, a severely swollen and deeply bruised left leg with odd protrusions under the skin compounded by a broken left leg with gaping holes, minor swelling and bruising around the left hand compounded by cuts and bruises about the left hand, minor swelling and bruising in the chest area compounded by cuts and bruises about the chest area, minor swelling and bruising in the abdomen compounded by cuts and bruises about the abdomen, faint scuffing to the back.
It is wearing nothing!
It is carrying nothing!

>exp

Circle: 5
Showing all skills with field experience.

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Light Armor: 25 46% mind lock (34/34) Defending: 22 12% very engaged (23/34)
Parry Ability: 24 26% attentive (10/34) Large Edged: 28 58% focused (20/34)
Melee Mastery: 25 20% very focused (21/34) Evasion: 17 89% mind lock (34/34)

Total Ranks Displayed: 141
Time Development Points: 178 Favors: 4 Deaths: 0 Departs: 0
Overall state of mind: clear

DURATHING

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 12:33 AM CST

> Having to hack away at a rat for 2 or so minutes is really discouraging.

Well... They must be pretty vicious rats. Only adventurers can kill them at all.

TILTINGVAGABOND

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 02:00 AM CST

Just from a marketing standpoint I think we can all agree that some poor newb coming from hack and slash games (ex: WoW) isn't going to understand why it takes several minutes to kill one critter.

If it were me, and it isn't, I'd lower the exp granted by lower level critters (rats, goblins, hogs, shaman, wasp) and make them easier to kill. It's one thing if it takes me at 100th circle to 30 second to kill something, but by now, I'm used to the game and already addicted.

I think rats should die in 2-5 hits and should really just be a critter for people to get maybe 10-20 ranks before moving to a real critter. It wouldn't be unreasonable for it to be 1-3 hits. You want a newbie to get in there and start slashing right away.

Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry

GERSTEINJ2

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 02:30 AM CST

agreed. although i'd expand this to shipyard rats, frogs, and louts. everything else can be left as is as far as time to kill. You want to attract new accounts, the way to do it is let them actually feel effective against the beginner critters.

<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

MELLIONM6

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 07:41 AM CST

Imagine if newbie x hears about the crafting system first, runs in, make his own dagger from 0 ranks, then tries to kill a rat with it...

--Wryhk

1st grade tl;dr version:

Numbers didn't change. Words changed. Words don't matter. Numbers all that matters.

--GRIM45

SAVEARO

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 09:42 AM CST

Human Paladin - level 1

Strength : 15 Reflex : 14
Agility : 14 Charisma : 10
Discipline : 10 Wisdom : 10
Intelligence : 10 Stamina : 14

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Shield Usage: 4 00% clear

VEE-REX

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 10:36 AM CST

SAVEARO,

I think you've pretty much made your point. I'm not sure a true newb would get as frustrated as you would get over the kill times (perhaps some would, perhaps some wouldn't), but why take that risk? Newbies will get special treatment if that's what it takes as I'm sure the GMs want to do everything they can to make it as simple for them as they can.

Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

SAVEARO

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:02 AM CST

>>I think you've pretty much made your point. I'm not sure a true newb would get as frustrated as you would get over the kill times (perhaps some would, perhaps some wouldn't), but why take that risk? Newbies will get special treatment if that's what it takes as I'm sure the GMs want to do everything they can to make it as simple for them as they can.<<

Folks pointed out that I should make a level one with starter gear and try it, so I did and posted. I'm not the only one that is getting frustrated. I wouldn't even have noticed had others not brought up the point of lowbies having trouble, so I decided to give a whirl. I don't like testing, which is why I only go for 2-3 kills and then leave. Someone else pointed out that the case might be different with crafted gear and it might be true, so I'll give a go when I'm feeling bored and I'll post those results as well. Not sure why you feel the need to say something about me making my point. I thought the purpose of the testing server was to do exactly as I just did: use different characters with different gear and post the results to provide info. I know for a fact that my two friends would not enjoy the time it takes to kill at a low level. Anecdotal, yes, but I threw it out there because I know them well and I know exactly how they would react.

FLINT-TIPPED

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:07 AM CST

>Not sure why you feel the need to say something about me making my point

It might have had something to do with the virtually identical mile long posts of rat hunting.

SAVEARO

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:16 AM CST

>Not sure why you feel the need to say something about me making my point

It might have had something to do with the virtually identical mile long posts of rat hunting.<<

I did as I've seen with the other combat "evidence" posts in respect to ranged, stealth, magic, etc by other posters. You don't have to read the whole combat log, as I never do with the log posts.

I can just as easily say, I fought for 4 minutes and killed one rat and then fought for another 6 minutes and killed another to have folks reply with, "You should post logs and experience and blah blah blah".

VEE-REX

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:19 AM CST

/facepalm

Nevermind, do what you do. Thanks for the data.

Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

SAVEARO

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:31 AM CST

Real mature with the facepalm.

Post 157 from Response to GM announcements -

Quoting Vee-Rex:

">>Vinjince, same for me. Yet my hiding is far beyond my combat skills. With no armor on they should not point me out immediately. Thanks for chiming in with nothing and 0 knowledge of the situation.

You're the only one in this thread claiming something is still off. I think it's on you to provide numbers/data or we'll all just continue to have 0 knowledge of the situation. Good luck."

BEVERAGEK

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:39 AM CST

Huh, I guess something did change. Just rolled up a new bard in test and it is taking a while to kill a rat; however, after 1 rat I was at 34/34 learning state in small edge so that's a plus :P

I'd probably be a fan of the 25% health thing for the rats and other small circle 1 creatures -- Just doesn't make sense that a rat should be taking so many hits from real weapon without dying. IMO they should be good at avoiding hits because they're so small, but with less health.

~ Leilond
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SHADOWCHIEF3

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:40 AM CST

I don't know, that was a pretty epic rathunt

VEE-REX

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 11:42 AM CST

If you have a problem with me, take it to conflicts. I agree with your point in that if we can make combat less frustrating for newbs, then we do it.

My suggestion to you is that you should take the time to understand what test really means. I'll quote parts of your posts since this is obviously what you like to do:

>>I would be extremely turned off from playing if I were a new player and couldn't kill a rat in under 1 minute.

>>Sure, guides would help a newb, but not everyone dives into a guide right away.

>>I didn't touch a guide for WoW or any other MMORPG until I decided to take up crafting. Leveling/combat never required outside help.

>>I was able to dance with 4 rats and barely took damage, but it was not cool watching the time slowly tick away as I inflicted one tiny wound after another. I decided against counting hits because I didn't want to get too upset over the matter.

>>Basically 4-5 minutes to kill one rat on the barb and didn't kill a rat on the trader. I walked off with him and switched to the barb.

>>The killing is just... underwhelming. Having to hack away at a rat for 2 or so minutes is really discouraging.

>>mile long log of rat hunting

>>The problem is it took nearly 10 minutes to kill two rats in Crossing's starter gear and with the basic attack that a "new" player would be using.

>>mile long log of rat hunting

Nowhere in this thread did I see anyone basically disagree with you and say you're wrong.

My suggestion is to understand this is the test instance. Everything in here is not final. There's no reason to rage-storm or get too upset about something. The tone of your posts are an indication that you believe newb hunting is supposed to be like that. Either that or I've been missing posts from a GM telling you that it's intended to take 5 minutes to kill a rat (and no, I haven't).

Just make a post, hey this is a concern, here's a little data from testing I did. You made your point, overly so. No need to get upset or blow up over it, especially if no one is telling you you're wrong, heh.

Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

LUCKYSEVENS

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 12:49 PM CST

It might improve the situation for newly-minted characters if the starting gear they received was of store-bought quality. I don't see the value of giving new characters useless equipment.

Barring that, having some sort of tutorial wherein new characters could earn better gear would be fun (albeit more coding-intensive) and allow them to choose gear that fits their character.

GENT

VEE-REX

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:05 PM CST

I think the player-base would be a great way to help new players with the game. I know Mentors exist, but I don't think that's enough since they're not always available. I think it would be nice if the GMs created a Beginner's folder, somewhere easily found and new/returning players can ask questions all they want. When a new character is rolled, throw up an IG link in their faces so that people on the forums can help out as much as they want.

Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

DR-KODIUS

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:06 PM CST

I just removed the new-player defensive bonus from being applied erroneously to all critters. I also reduced the hp of lower-level critters a bit. Please retest on rats, frogs, louts and other low-level stuff and let us know if killing is any easier for you.

"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

DR-KODIUS

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:08 PM CST

>>It might improve the situation for newly-minted characters if the starting gear they received was of store-bought quality. I don't see the value of giving new characters useless equipment.

I don't know where the new-player equipment exists, or I'd have edited it already. Going to keep digging and hopefully I'll get lucky...

BEVERAGEK

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:08 PM CST

Woot! Will test as soon as I get back from Boston Market :D

~ Leilond
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SHADOWCHIEF3

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:11 PM CST

Stay tuned for...Night of the epic rat-hunt 2.

DANFORDS2

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 01:48 PM CST

I just did some tests with a noob. Straight out of the Character Manager, I joined the Paladin guild, grabbed a Pike, a Longsword, and a Maul. 14 Thrusts (~2 minutes) with a Pike, 10 slices (~70 seconds) with a Longsword, and 7 swings (~1 minute) with a Maul. This includes misses.

It may be off because I did them in that order, so any extra balance I got would have carried over. Only one rat on each weapon, but obviously a major improvement. Pike seems a little slow / low-damaging especially compared to 2HB which was also giving me all 9 sec RTs.

All in all, much better.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

BEVERAGEK

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 02:02 PM CST

Yeah I have to say newb hunting is looking awesome now :D

Thanks for the fixes Kodius!

~ Leilond
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DANFORDS2

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 02:23 PM CST

So, I made a short little Stormfront script to count kills to ML and attacks to ML with a weapon using a single attack, and noticed something odd. If I get my fatigue to 0 and keep attacking, it doesn't do anything. I'm not collapsing from exhaustion or any have any issues. I can just keep attacking indefinitely, without apparent penalty.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

DR-KODIUS

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 02:47 PM CST

Well, nothing was changed with regards to what happens when you run out of fatigue. You'll have a nice 99% penalty to just about everything though. Are you saying the penalty wasn't present? You should also notice RTs increasing a bit?

SHADOW7988

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 03:32 PM CST

In 2.0, I'm not logged in, and have a few things to do. But you typically fall over, get moved to prone when you hit 0 fatigue. I believe that's not happening.

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"I think anything that forces you to do something no sane adventurer would do just in order to train is ridiculous."
DR-SOCHARIS

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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.

DANFORDS2

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 03:49 PM CST

>prone when you hit 0 fatigue. I believe that's not happening.

This. There was a message like "You collapse from fatigue!"

>Are you saying the penalty wasn't present? You should also notice RTs increasing a bit?

I didn't notice any penalty, but the character had four or five ranks in any given skill. Was also at max RT (it is 9, right?), so I wouldn't have noticed an increase in that area. I'll try retesting with a slightly larger character some time.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

DR-KODIUS

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Character Generation 12/29/2012 04:58 PM CST

Alright, I uptweaked the starting weapons and armor (except halflings...can't do anything with slings right now). The entire system needs a rewrite for me to be able to do much more with it, and that is a month I don't have right now.

The weapon and leather coat are now a high tier 2, and should be more than capable of handling starting enemies.

Could someone please roll up a new player for each of the Races and verify nothing explodes? It was much too easy to have made a silly typo with the edits...

Thanks!

TEVESHSZAT

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:07 PM CST

Just as a heads up, the veteran NPC in Crossing lets newbies trade their default gear for other options. Not sure if you want to put that on the to-do list at some point, too.

http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Grizzled_old_war_veteran

The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

REWYN

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:23 PM CST

It be nice if your guild leaders also had the same function as the veteran because:

A) newbies dont know about the veteran. Everything in game directs them to see a guild leader
B) it makes thematic sense when you join a guild that the guild leader might hand you some appropriate starting gear. Maybe a set of starting armor and a melee and ranged weapon and a shield. Nothing fantastic, upper tier two or something.
C) saves newbies a few more of those few gold they start with as i dont think most will know about the veteran or how to find him. Last I recall he moves around.

LAMBL

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Re: What should we be testing? 12/29/2012 05:26 PM CST

<<fatigue penalty>>

Yeah there's definitely not a penalty being applied to defenses from fatigue. I got a few worthy/solid/challenging...ish opponents attacking me and cast Raise Power to completely zap my fatigue, and they still weren't hitting me except for the occasional light hit.

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor

DANFORDS2

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:27 PM CST

I noticed I now start with no debt. Is this intended?

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

BEVERAGEK

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:39 PM CST

I'll start rolling some newbs unless anyone is already mostly done.

~ Leilond
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DANFORDS2

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:42 PM CST

I know you can't make the sling better, but can you make it not come out of the CM damaged? All the new beginning items are in pristine condition, but the sling is still damaged.

I tried every race, no explosions that I saw, though I did it fairly quickly.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

BEVERAGEK

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Re: Character Generation 12/29/2012 05:53 PM CST

The human starts out with a cutlass and workcoat -- Had someone else appraise them cause new character lolappraisal.

She said the cutlass was somewhat moderate slice, fair impact, low puncture, fairly balanced, reasonably suited, appreciably susceptible to damage, 30 stones.

She also said the workcoat was mod/mod mod/mod good/mod low/mod fair/mod mod/mod, mod/light hindrance, 350 stone.

I'm not sure how this ranks versus store bought, but there ya go :P

~ Leilond
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