I don't how long it will be until the GM's take a look at the new companion system, which will include horses. But I have a Horse Wish List I'd like to share and maybe have others add to so that the GM's have something to look as they plan the new system. I am a Paladin and my wish list is centered on the Paladin War Horse. I know there have been other wish lists that go waaaaay back, but hopefully this will eventually be helpful.

HORSE WISH LIST

(Not in any particular order)

1. Horse armor not disappear upon the game crashing. Armor does not disappear now when exiting the game when the horse reappears, don?t understand why it disappears when the game crashes.

2. You may group with one other person while you are on your mount. Your companion will then mount behind you and travel with you.

3. Your horse can carry saddle bags that will carry items for you. The saddlebags, like other containers, can be limited in how many items it can carry.

4. Paladins can whistle for their horses to come to them (perhaps the first bond), unless the horse is stabled, naturally.

5. Horses (at least Paladin war horses) can drag a stunned or dead master to a safe area automatically. (However, it is understood that a stunned character can still die before they get to safety, even if dragged.) Perhaps the horse can drag to the nearest road or thoroughfare.

6. A Paladin can signal a horse to drag another stunned or dead character to safety, road or thoroughfare.

7. Open up the hunting grounds available for war horses to combat in. Along those lines, make horses able to climb more trails and paths to the hunting grounds. Of course, there are some exceptions and horses would not realistically be able to climb all trails and cliffs to maintain reality; however, because the game is designed with off-the-road or out-of-the-way places for hunting areas, horses have been limited in getting there. Please make more places to hunt with war horses.

8. Do not make player-owned horses able to be stolen or killed by other players. Having a horse not only is very expensive but also very time intensive to train and bond with. I wouldn?t object to corral horses (those available to be purchased by other players) being able to be stolen.

9. Does a bonded horse today always require a touch a sniff before the master can pet it? It seems to me that if you are bonded to the horse, you shouldn?t have to be so careful in your approach to your own horse, no matter how long it?s been since you?ve seen it (well, I suppose if you?re away a LONG time, maybe).

10. The combat system with horses is broken now, when the new combat system was recently implemented. Hopefully, combat with horses will be fixed with the new horse/companion system.


Holy Warrior Airoza and her faithful Warhorse Sir Maximus

>2. There will be some explorations done on some aspects of horses by the Paladin Team, with emphasis on the War Horse fighting capabilities.

Y'kno, with how powerful war horses can be for paladisn (at least from what I've experienced gobs~woodies) I'm surprised they haven't allowed Ranger companions to help in combat. Even if the companions would have to be hurt, it shouldn't be too hard to fathom a bonding spell between the ranger and their companion so the ranger knows to pull the pet out when he himself is in danger, and train a trick to order the pet to scuttle off or something.

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>I'd really like to see mounted combat give a bonus to pole melee weapons and a penalty to melee ranged melee weapons. I'd like to see special mounted only moves that can be executed in groups as well as individually. A cavalry charge used to be a scary thing on a RL battle field, I'd like to see some of that make it's way into DR ins some form or another.

As long as I can fireball horses into dogfood. Want to bring horses more into combat, then they need to be brought all the way into combat and be subject to injury and death.

The Prydaen word for Woman is Yif.
That explains a lot.

Lots more stuff coming 'Soon'!

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Why shouldn't the NPC creatures be able to damage the horse?

Rangers could tend horse injuries, feed them herbs and have empaths heal them (to gain animal lore + empathy).

Hanyru, it's pretty hard for anyone but a ranger to train animal lore, so it would have to be only a bonus, not a penalty, and also- I'm willing to bet it's damn hard to kill a horse in armor, so the GMs need to keep that in mind.

I'm looking into buying a horse, possibly from Horse Clan in an attempt to learn animal lore as well as for a title gain. My question is this..how much upkeep does a horse require? And if they do teach animal lore (which I'm assuming they do) is it even mildly substantial for a lore prime guild?
Or are they a big expensive waste of time? I don't see them as being a waste, but then again I don't own one.


~Terra
Fire Dancer of Velaka

Thanks Alexii!


~Terra
Fire Dancer of Velaka

I'm aware that Commoner's can own and ride horses with the proper class for your local stablemaster. But what i'm wondering is can they be instructed in things like... Jousting, War, and the like to make them better jousters and allow them to ride their horse into combat? If they can how exactly does it work... and if they can't then that's just unfair to those who perfer to remain commoners like myself.

You can Instruct both horses and people. Such as Grab for people so they can get things from the ground while mounted on a horse. The horse must know how to joust before it can joust yes but if a person is instructed in joust by a paladin then they can joust more effectively... So the question is. Can a Commoner whose circle is 0 learn the skills from the guilds when the skills usually require someone whose of circle 30 - 40 to learn. And if not then it's not exactly fair to the commoners.

~ Dasi Flac - Soon to be Dark Swordsman of Elanthia

they should change that, animal lore would make more sense


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That's just unfair to commoners... Some want to joust but do not want to join a guild. They can joust but without the jousting lesson they can't even do it fairly well. There needs to be something done about this unfairness... Aren't there any Horse GM's out there?


~ Dasi Flac - Soon to be Dark Swordsman of Elanthia

I posted in the Paladins Warhorse folder too. My horse all of a sudden is behaving like he did before combat broke horses. Was something tweaked? It's marvelous, whatever happened. He's showing up in my assess and fighting beautifully!





Dame Airoza and her faithful Warhorse Sir Maximus

To add to my question, when I purposefully, manually quit the game for an errand or whatever, leaving my horse out (I only do this if I know I'm going to be gone a short time), my horse will return to me within 5 minutes of reloggging into the game. But on ISP disconnects, my horse does not return for 15 minutes to a half an hour. Why is there such a difference, does anybody know?

Thanks for your consideration.





Dame Airoza and her faithful Warhorse Sir Maximus

You might want to check with Ienna (trader, crossing). I sold her a several grey horses not to long ago. If she's out, you can contact Hanryu (in Shard or via email) about a "custom" order.

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

Thank you both, that does sound promising! There was a 16hh steel grey mare at the Crossing mews today, but I'd actually prefer to buy one from a player, and not just because of the potential coin difference. I'd actually like to support those people that take the time and effort to go off and catch these animals.

I've always dreamed about becoming a wrangler, but having read back over several years of horse posts it seems that the whole horse system is a little bit in recession at the moment! It is such a shame and I really hope they do get around to fixing the bugs and making the improvements that so many people have been asking for for so long.

Having gotten information from Elanthipedia that I could learn lead rope at 20 (I'm 23 circle), it seems this is not true as Mathwen won't teach me and Wyrblades' site does actually say 30, so I would need my mare to be leadrope trained at the very least.

Thanks again for the help. I'm really looking forward to joining the ranks of the horse owners, even despite all the issues I have read about!

Safe trails,

Lysorla

So been collecting more data:

total cut	54	% of total
mares	30	56%
geldings	24	44%
14's	23	43%
15's	18	33%
16's	13	24%
greys	15	28%
duns	9	17%
chestnuts	8	15%
bays	10	19%
roans	6	11%
buckskins	4	7%
whites	2	4%

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And the script I've been working on to keep my classes active and gather some data on how long each class takes. Pretty sure it'll work only on YASSE, but it might be easily adaptable to other scrip engines.


#instruct horse, By Hanryu
set trigger on
action kill.instruct goto done2
speed fast
setvariable total 0

if_1 goto %1
sad:
saddle:
gosub class saddle
lead:
leadrope:
gosub class leadrope
joust:
gosub class joust
com:
combat:
gosub class combat
magic:
spells:
gosub class magic
knee:
kneel:
gosub class kneel
jump:
gosub class jump
spin:
rear:
gosub class spin
prance:
gosub class prance
animal:
race:
gosub class animal
printbox 265 "Yay! This horse is fully trained!."
exit
insession:
printbox 265 "You are already teaching a horse."
exit

class:
match return already trained
match started You begin to instruct
match insession You are already
match return already combat trained
put instruct horse %w
matchwait

return:
return

started:
printbox 265 "Class started."
getwordfrom instruct 3
setvariable horse %w
getwordfrom horse -1
if %w ne %horse
setvariable horse "%horse %w"
resume:
SETVARIABLE start %secondsonline
match paused You stop instructing
match paused The animal you were instructing isn't here so you pause
match done You finish instructing your
matchwait

paused:
SET variable temp %secondsonline
CALCULATE temp sub $start$
calculate total add %temp
restart:
waitfor a %horse horse
match restart Doing that would reveal your location
match restart You don't have any classes currently pending
match restart I can't find the animal you were instructing
match resume positive attitude
put instruct continue
put yes
matchwait

done:
SET variable temp %secondsonline
CALCULATE temp sub $start$
calculate total add %temp
setvariable minutes %total
setvariable remainder %total
calculate minutes div 60
calculate remainder mod 60
printbox 265 "That class took $minutes$.$remainder$ minutes."
done2:
EXIT

errorhandler:
printbox 265 "Error #$errornumber$ occurred on the line #$errorline$ : $line$"
EXIT

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

>>How does one wrangle a gelding?

throw underhanded and aim low.

DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.

>Interesting that you haven't wrangled any black horses yet.

Are you suggesting he might be racist?

I wrangled my black horse from the Zoluren Mews... heh.

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M: Yes! Once a month, she becomes eeevil... and I cannot defeat her!

>>How does one wrangle a gelding?
>throw underhanded and aim low.

>>Interesting that you haven't wrangled any black horses yet.
>Are you suggesting he might be racist?

LOL, awesome!

>that black horses were only available in the "corrals" or shops

This. We can't catch gold or black horses. We can't catch "funkyname" horses (think akhal, etc). We can't catch anything smaller than 14 hands (so no ponies). We can't catch anything larger than 16 hands (this one really bothers me as the player of a Kaldar). Pretty much there are more "you can not's" than "you can's" when it comes to horses, but that should not surprise anyone that has spent any time with the system. So much for "player made" being better than "store bought".

Maybe we'll see some of these limitations addressed if/when the "pet system" gets rewritten. That's my dream at least. Hey, there a chance we could get a GM to comment on the status of the universal pet system?

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, Ranger
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls