Ut oh! Elemental ring nerf incoming lol.

Just an elf about town...

Of those 58 probably 10 more actual players the rest were Bots... Just saying

>I have 50 Water Lore...

So if I understand the Summation Chart correctly, I should get 4 shots at 46 trainings...

It might also help to explain my perspective on what I'm looking for as far as a plan (and what I'm not looking for!).

Obviously, I'm not expecting the GMs to show up and share every detail about the future. Not only would their NDA prevent them from doing so, but it would be unwise to appear to promise one thing and months or years later deliver another. I understand that. What I'm looking for is a general course of action. Where do we stand, where are we going, and how are we going to get there in general terms?

My expectation is that lores will ultimately define distinctive builds, or sub-classes. My basic definition for a build is a distinctive and viable playstyle with a training path to achieve it. Immolate was the barest skeleton of that definition. You train heavy fire lore and overtrain MjE spells post-cap. Done. There was little else to define the build. On the other hand, training 24 ranks in air lore to achieve those benefits, while certainly a popular choice, does not constitute a build. It's viable. It was a training path to some extent. But there's nothing distinctive about picking up a handful of minor abilities that don't significantly alter your playstyle.

Other games do this a lot better than we do. Every class has multiple builds, defined by the choices they make with regard to gearing and skills. You might say that this parallels GS, with wizards choosing a "pure" or "war" mage variant. While it's true that the war mage is a build, it shares much of the one-dimensionality of rapid shock and immolate. The build is still defined by a single spell, with very little in the way of dedicated support.

That's what I had hoped to see the ELR address in the long term. Unfortunately, nothing in the ELR produced a distinctive playstyle.

That's a tough nut to crack, though. Planning is key. Implementing spells as they're finished doesn't work out well. How could immolate not be underwhelming if released far in advance of its support structure? The answer is that immolate could only be appealing under those conditions if it were overpowered. That's why immolate worked in the first place. It was so powerful that it justified heavy lore training all on its own. Give it support and it just becomes more powerful (or your support spells never get used!). Conversely, releasing a weak version of the spell now so that it will be appropriately powerful as part of a complete fire build later simply disappoints players in the here and now.

So, that's my problem with the whole ELR. No plan. It feels muddled, and whatever they're going to do to create the builds Wyrom indicated were the eventual goal of these nerfs seems far off in the future. So far, in fact, that I've heard nothing to indicate that such a plan actually exists beyond Wyrom's vague observation that one-trick pony spells are problematic when designing builds and should be removed on that basis. Why that had to happen immediately when they were so clearly not ready to proceed is beyond me. Call it poor planning?

~Taverkin

VANKRASN39

Is the Water Walking effect still applicable?

It is not.

PCOFFEY77

Still seeing a few things..

Just as you 512, the Ithzir janissary shimmers and fades away, leaving you gesturing at nothingness!

And also, I'm only getting one cast of 903 to You hurl a stream of water at an Ithzir initiate, but it freezes just before impact. Carefully, you summon the chunk of ice back to your hand...

Both of these issues should be fixed. Thanks for reporting it.

GameMaster Estild

Creatures made out of fire or that emanate heat will continue to be immune (fire elementals, etc).

GameMaster Estild

That seems backwards. Creatures made of out of ice should be immune, but if they're made out of the fire, the ice should interact in some way to put out the fire. Even if it just melts into water which extinguishes the fire.

I've never heard of fire being immune to water/ice.

>That seems backwards. Creatures made of out of ice should be immune, but if they're made out of the fire, the ice should interact in some way to put out the fire. Even if it just melts into water which extinguishes the fire.

I agree, in every other case, fire creatures are particularly susceptible to cold/water attacks and vice versa (ice creatures vs. fire attacks).

>1.) It will now work on non-corporeal targets; however, they are able to better guard against the spell (+TD bonus of creature's level / 10).

This is a very helpful and appreciated fix. Thank you!

>If a target is drenched from the Minor Water (903 or 518) lore effect or if you cast the spell in a watery room, the affected target(s) get -25 TD.

This part doesn't seem to be happening.

>inc 512
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Cold Snap...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an ethereal triton sentry.
An airy mist rolls into the area, carrying a harsh chill with it.
The dull golden nimbus surrounding an ethereal triton sentry suddenly begins to glow brightly.
CS: +554 - TD: +473 + CvA: +25 + d100: +46 == +152
Warding failed!
The mist builds upon the existing thick block of ice, expanding it to cover an ethereal triton sentry's entire body, trapping her in an icy tomb.
CS: +554 - TD: +505 + CvA: +25 + d100: +95 == +169
Warding failed!
As the mist touches the surface of the thick block of ice encasing a greater water elemental, it solidifies, reinforcing the icy tomb.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>inc 519
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Immolation...
Your spell is ready.
You channel at a greater water elemental.
CS: +554 - TD: +520 + CvA: +25 + d100: +61 == +120
Warding failed!
Wisps of black smoke swirl around a greater water elemental and it bursts into flame causing 50 points of damage!
... 70 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
As the fire strikes the ice block surrounding a greater water elemental, a rush of steam is released!
... 25 points of damage!
The ice block encasing a greater water elemental partially melts away, leaving only its lower half froze.
... 40 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
As the fire strikes the ice block surrounding a greater water elemental, a rush of steam is released!
... 65 points of damage!
The ice block encasing a greater water elemental partially melts away, leaving only its lower half froze.
... 50 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
As the fire strikes the ice block surrounding a greater water elemental, a rush of steam is released!
... 25 points of damage!
The ice block encasing a greater water elemental partially melts away, leaving only its lower half froze.
... 20 points of damage!
The water elemental gurgles in agony as steam billows about!
As the fire strikes the ice block surrounding a greater water elemental, a rush of steam is released!
... 20 points of damage!
The ice block encasing a greater water elemental partially melts away, leaving only its lower half froze.
The flame surrounding a greater water elemental quickly die down.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

>Okay, it says the mist dissipates into a steam. Isn't steam just hot water vapor? Water doesn't have any effect on fire now?

Fire creatures (elementals at least) have sadly always been fire/steam/acid immune for whatever reason.

>It's working correctly. The water elemental was drenched, so gets -25 TD. However, it's non-corporeal, so also gets +10 (level (105) / 10) TD. So the net result is -15 TD from your 512.

Okay, I understand now, and it looks like the same applies for the combatant.

This satisfies half of my wizard post-cap requests, so thank you again for making the needed adjustments.

DESTINY14

This last word seems to be a grammatical typo though instead of frozen.

Fixed.

GameMaster Estild

>I still think the duration formula (warding margin / 5) + 3 needs to be lightened up some, but the non-corporeal thing is a nice buff.

It's hard to complain about this part when we now have the same minimum as 316. However, 316 (and 135) can benefit from 340, while elemental spells only receive the Truehand benefit.

Can a NIR confirm that the 8 second duration starts after the second cast when the creature is immobilized?

Finally, can there be an alternative to pay the 24 mana upfront in a single CHANNELed 512 cast, which also gives 3 seconds of hard RT but negates the need to sit through 3 seconds of potential vulnerability after the targets are rooted but not immobilized?

Thanks! I appreciate the quick fix.

>Cold Snap itself is a physical barrier. Ice is forming around the target to restrict their actions.

Now I'm curious why this doesn't affect magic immune stuff if it's a physical barrier forming around the target. Not that I'm really worried about it, but still.

~ Methais

Double cube 'em!

Doug