Big TYVM. Here's my initial thoughts:

>> 6) GY Gate Improvements
Did not like this one. At all. For someone who wants an easy way out, a gold ring is easy enough imo. And it's very easy to find people willing to give a youngin a free ring and set it for them. Often my chars have left gold rings set for town in the ossuary in the crypt just to help people who got "stuck" that side of the gate, forgot their ring, etc.

The main GY Gate problem which remains afaik... is not how hard it is to push open the graveyard gate... it is that new players, and even some old players, do not realize that now, you can GO GATE immediately after you STOP PUSHING, even if you are in a long 40-second RT (because you're a weakling)... and they stand there watching their RT thingie count down from 40 seconds, and they sometimes may miss the gate being open, thinking they can't move. that can get very frustrating when you don't know it got fixed, or that you're "really not in RT exactly." i do wish that if the gate was about to pop open... the most recent attempt to STOP PUSHING would not appear to give RT, so that folks would assume hey, i can run on through the gate. What you have right now is some folks who end up standing and pushing, many times in a row, and failing to get through when the gate pops open due to thinking they are in RT when they're really not.

Even a message after the gate pops open that says to each person who "was pushing" AND "if they are still on the crypt side of the gate": "A friendly-looking ghost floats up to you and whispers, "Quick! GO GATE! Nevermind that you feel stuck. Just try it now, you may be surprised that you'll get through. Go, GO GATE!" would be helpful to folks who don't know, rather than them stewing and steaming over how stupid it is that they "can't get through" repeatedly.

As a "weakling cleric lass," Soliere and many of my other chars struggle/d with the graveyard gate for a long time, insisting on pushing it open and enlisting help - loads of rp opportunities and met quite a few really nice folks that way. And still at level 70something i try to go help push when someone requests help pushing the gate and i hear it.

>> 12) Pawnshop w/ full hands
Did not like. If i have both hands full, honestly, it's usually by accident, i've pulled out one too many items from my backpack, and i'm about to do something stupid like sell the wrong item, and i really really appreciate that it won't let me sell something valuable with both hands full, but that's just me, one dumbcluck in the brood :D

>> 1) Remove Group Limiter on coin pickups
Meh. I happen to like the quirk of this particular coin pickup limitation. If you fix it, I'll whine for a few days but I'll get over it eventually. If you send fire and lightning. 0:)

>> 5) TURN for scripted lockpicks
Maybe I like. But is this the thing where you twirl the lockpick? It seems like there are so many lockpicks that fit inside someone's mouth. How are you gonna twirl that kinda lockpick? I would just say to be sure to look over the various types to be sure some of them are not really smaller than others and perhaps not possible to turn unless they're used by a person of one of the smaller races.

>> 9) Pawnshop if Registered, 'are you sure?'
Hmm. I liked the person's original suggestion. But I can see why there could be a problem. But I still kinda like the possibility of making it harder to accidentally sell a valuable item. Although perhaps our time might be better spent encouraging folks to be sure to register and mark items, and explaining why these things are important.

Is there a reason that the possibility does not exist to (without re-registering previously-registered stuff):
- MARK/REGISTER ALL MY STUFF (every item in my lockers and on my person and in the sacks in my hands)
- MARK/REGISTER ALL IN LOCKERS (everything in all my lockers)
- MARK/REGISTER ALL IN CURRENT LOCKER (everything in the locker where i am currently standing)
- MARK/REGISTER ALL WORN (for stuff i'm wearing and stuff inside what i'm wearing and stuff inside that stuff too)
- MARK/REGISTER ALL IN MY <CONTAINER> (for stuff inside one container)
- MARK/REGISTER ALL HELD (everything in my hands plus everything inside it)

Even for a cost in silvers? As broke as my folks tend to stay, I would be happy to pay for the privilege of doing register/mark in this way. And you could charge more for the "all my stuff" option. I would be thankin' mah stars.

I loved everything below here... almost swooned when you said Cleric Appraise + Sym Recall cause I've wanted that for so long! Woohoo!!
>> 2) RUB 1st/3rd person messaging consistency
>> 3) Disarm RT for having closed toolkit
>> 4) Deposit Bank Note in Left Hand
>> 7) Adventure Guard Turn-in Message for Party Members
>> 8) MEASURE herbs accuracy
>> 10) Daily Longterm Boost Status
>> 11) Cleric Appraise + Sym Recall

The One, The Two, The Three >CRUNCH< Three Licks!
Soliere :) :)

These look great to me! I especially like the pawnshop note one. It trips me up all the time.

Glimmin Goodhand

All of these look great!

RE: 8) MEASURE herbs accuracy
>> Measuring herbs is very inaccurate. You have to EAT it to get the exact dosage remaining which seems a bit silly. I'd like to update
>> MEASURE to have the same accuracy as eating the herb would: you have x bites left.

Could this be applied to measuring enchanting potions as well? Same supporting logic applies as for herbs - you have to pour the potion to determine how many pours are remainng.

>measure my pot
The ayveneh potion looks like it has several doses left.

The potion in this example has 7 pours in it.

Thanks!

-- Robert

>channel my maul
You channel at a hefty mithril maul.
You make an astoundingly inept attempt! Success!

Looks at the date and tempers his excitement

Except the GY gate one, these are all things I've wished would happen at one point or another.....so cruel to post this list today :P


Starchitin, the OG

A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.

MEASURing herbs can be done with drop herb/gather herb. I do it all the time.

That said, I have nothing against any of these (aside from the GY gate misgivings others have already stated), including adding accuracy to MEASURE. Accuracy is a Good Thing(TM).

Wee Sleepy Gnomette's player

Cloth-of-eonake: for when you absolutely, positively need to have zombie-impenetrable underwear. - Denil

When my scripts are acting up, I take Modrian with Coding. After a few hours, they feel like new! - MAXMANJ

Ooooh, very nice QoL update ideas!

>3. Disarm RT for having closed toolkit
Can this be expanded to include any of the locksmithing disarm actions that need a 'tool' to disarm with (thinking about the traps that need a lockpick/long-slender-pointy-thing to disarm with, that isn't in the toolkit)? Otherwise, awesome!

>8. MEASURE herbs accuracy
With my main being an herbopath... YESYESYESYES!! :D

>2, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! :D

>6. GY Gate Improvements
Someone above mentioned being able to GO GATE while still in RT from pushing the gate... having never heard about this, in the 15+ years of play, it seems like it'd be a good idea, in my opinion, to at least make this more of a pronounced thing.

~Cylnthia Kythnis Ardenai
~Paragon of Kuon
~Rose Guardian, House Sylvanfair

My thoughts...

#3 - As mentioned above, I think it would nice if this worked with every "missing tool" event. I shouldn't have to stare at a sphere trap for 15 seconds like a dingus because I forgot to take out my lockpick.

#5 - This is sort of a long shot but any change you could add a similar verb to rogue keyrings? TURN and SPIN are already used but it would still be nice to do something fun with them since you can't use lock mastery ptricks with them either.

#8 - This needs to apply to everything. EVERYTHING. White flasks, herbs, potions, a bottle of water, the stale tart I found in box 10 minutes ago. Seriously, anything with sips, bites, or doses should give you the exact number of remaining uses when measured.

I had never heard about the use of "go gate" when in that massive amount of rt. If that is indeed a bug and will be removed, I really suggest that you "tumble through" the gate as soon as you have pushed it open. As it stands now I think pushing the gate for however long, only to be stuck in giant RT and have the gate keeper come and close the gate is one of the bigget, "what the heck were they thinking?" moment of a young character's career.

=^_^=

>> [Meraki's followup post]

Thanks for clarifying the things you did. After reading over your points carefully, I have nothing to add except THANK YOU! :D

All the goals sound really well thought out and I look forward to others' feedback.

Soliere :)
Hi Ho Silver, Away! WOOHOO! :D

<I agree with Soli I wouldn't want it turned into something that is so easy nobody ever calls for help, or that obviates climbing or setting a ring. (Similar to the Monastery doors, when people could just pop them open.)>

Last I checked, there were quite a few ways to get the GY gate open.... 407, one of the cleric spells, bashing, pushing.... I always meant to try to use 704 to get through it but never got around to it....

Course, it's been years since I went to the GY at all, so I might be mistaken on a couple of those

Starchitin, the OG

A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.

For those who use lich, I have a global alias set:
>reg => register my \?\rmark my \?\r

It does the trick for marking+registering a held item in one go. It's unfortunate that I had to resort to using third party software to make that easier, but it's at least something.

- Overlord EK

>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.

It doesn't take up a macro slot. That's the difference.

- Overlord EK

>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.

I'm too new(*) to the game to have an informed opinion about any of these changes but wanted to say that your transparency and interest in getting feedback is awesome. Summarizing your ideas in a Google doc, open to comments, is such a fantastic way of doing it.

Thank you for your work!

And thanks to everyone providing informed feedback above, too!

(* technically I was around in the AOL days but that may as well have been a lifetime ago. I do remember big group efforts to push open that danged graveyard door though ^_^)

>And I know this is probably outside the scope of these changes, but an enormous QoL change would be: make bank accounts for all characters on the same Play.net shared, so I don't have to swap silvers between characters all the time to transfer silvers.--Glimmin Goodhand

I'd like to second this request. It'd be really wonderful if all banks/currencies were account linked instead of character linked. (I can appreciate this even more so now that I've done a couple Troubled Waters runs. I hate that I'm penalized for having different social groups with different characters, where I have to pick just one to run if I really want to start saving up krolbux for something. At least bloodscrip and tickets can be withdrawn/redeemed.)

- Overlord EK

>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.

Today I pushed out an update so that whenever a guard talks to someone about their bounty via ask guard about bounty others in the room will now see: Player confers quietly with <the guard>. This message will also display when a player uses give to return an heirloom to the guard for their heirloom bounty.

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> Meraki – Greek Word of the day – Doing something with love, passion, and a lot of soul. It is what happens when you leave a piece of yourself (your soul, creativity, or love) in your work.

Woohoo GO Meraki!! :D Thanks for the updates!

I also noticed someone said they would like to be able to WITHDRAW ALL and WITHDRAW ALL SILVER from a bank. That would sure make my day so I don't have to type all this every time one of the chars wants to clear out a bank account, which for me is frequently, with up to 9 accounts active at any given time, because I am a chronic "keep a note in my pocket for all my silver" person, i hate balances left in the bank:

deposit all
check balance
withdraw 1242311
check balance (to be sure i typed that number correctly and the balance is now zero)
put note in my sack

If not for the current set of updates, mark me down as highly supportive for the next go-round!

Thanks again!
Soliere :) :)
o/~ Aweema-way, Aweema-way, Aweema-way, Aweema-way! o/~

10) Daily 'boost' LTE... why screw around with wording?

Long-Term Experience Boosts: 0 + +

At midnight, the plus-signs fall off, until you kill something again.

The line will still be shorter than the "No minimum" on the Bridge info above.

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Here's my addition: CMan List.
1) Seriously? Who did this as concatenated lines of text?
COLUMNS. Oh my god. Columns, please.
This is already done when you get 'info', why not here, too?

2) Seriously? Who did this OUT of alphabetical order?
Give it parameters, like
- "cman list alpha" (the default, so that they are NORMALLY shown in alpha order),
- "cman list rank [up / down]", so that either you see all of the "to get rank 1" first and the "to get rank 5" last, OR the reverse and you see "to get 5" first and "to get 1" last), and
- "cman list cost [up / down]", so that you can see that rank4 of Cheapshots is 7 but rank1 of Unarmed Specialist is 9, similarly.

Oh, what the hell, give 'alpha' the up/down too, just to keep my CDO (OCD, more properly shown in alphabetical order...) under control.

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Speaking of "CMan info":
3) ADD a column. "Activation cost" and show the stamina.
4) Be bold, add TWO columns: "cooldown" (showing "how much cooldown will be applied when activated/wears off", or "N/A").

You could also just deliver ASCII character, empty boxes by default and filled boxes when each is gained for that day....

>> I am not even sure this was true before but it seems like when you had a Bounty Boost active the messaging was suppressed so anyone else in the room wouldn't see you asking/dropping/asking as you cycled through trying to get your preferred bounty.
>> If so, it seems like this update changed that. I now see all the scroll when someone is doing this. Is that correct? And can we get that part changed back?
>> Olgre's pea brain

There is indeed code in place to suppress messaging with the taskmasters if a bounty boost is active. My change did not touch that or invalidate that in any way. What you're more likely seeing is someone who is in cooldown for a bounty and keeps asking for one.

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> Meraki – Greek Word of the day – Doing something with love, passion, and a lot of soul. It is what happens when you leave a piece of yourself (your soul, creativity, or love) in your work.