No, I was saying if caster A is at 50/50/50 and caster B is at 50/50/50 and both cast on target C who is at 20/20/20 both casters would require the same prep to achieve the same effect with the same spell under the same conditions even if there is a 1000+ rank difference between Caster A's PM and Caster B's PM.

As far as testing that, it could only be tested on barbs since barbs are the only guild which reacts when their MR is completely overwhelmed so we can remove it from consideration.

Since we're stuck calculating with integers for effect even though it is certainly possible that the mana variable is a non-integer by removing MR from consideration we ensure that we're dealing with integers (barring some other factor of which I'm unaware which decreases mana in).

To me, not having done testing just anecdotal, the above doesn't seem to hold true.

I am --- Navak

A) Go Chunk.

B) If you were paying attention you'd notice that a 250 pm ES at 50 mana with 120 harness results in ES.

A 120 PM es at ANY mana with 250 harness would result in MES.

PM determines Effectiveness (aka, Damage) Harness determines Volume (aka effective transfer) More harness=more mana IN. (harness 50=100% at 200 harness) Yes, PM does affect spells, but Harness is still half the equasion. PM does not work without Harness, without PM harness doesn't work.

C) You don't have to have, know, learn PM to use harness as long as you are a MU. You can harness for other people, and paladins usually do it just cuz.

1 mana = 1 mana at all ranks.

max mana is lower for low harness ranks.

max mana is higher for high harness.

PM has nothing to do with this, or I'd NOW be able to get both MES off and pump 50 into all my first level spells. My PM is over the 50 max first level spell skills, way out ahead of my harness. Yes this is my fault/problem but illistrates the fact that HARNESS CONTROLS MANA, PM CONTROLS EFFECTIVENESS. Not the other way around.

Folks,

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Thanks,

Wixs

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Too bad i'm actually telling the truth.

Try it, go on, try it, it's impossible to CAST any spell without BOTH PM and harness.

it is IMPOSSIBLE to cast 50 mana in to a spell without the harness to do so.

it is impossible to cast 50 mana into a spell without the pp to see the mana availible.

its impossible to get the mana channelled properly without the PM to do it.

They have a symbiotic relationship, without one, they're both dead.

>Try it, go on, try it, it's impossible to CAST any spell without BOTH PM and harness.

Why don't you try it.

I will back up my statements. You back up yours. It is not our responsibility to back up your statements.

Post tests or shutup.

you're a stupid head

rubbing an orb afterword don't count.

>>rubbing an orb afterword don't count. <<

Oh that's good. Just accuse them of lying if they're the ones that actually do a test. Classy.

fs is suppose to stop at 75, most of the low level spells are suppose to stop teaching before like 100.

i do not approve of this conflict.

please take your piddly little general discussion about elemental magic into the general discussions folder.

but you may keep it insulting.

:oP Ragran

>fs is suppose to stop at 75, most of the low level spells are suppose to stop teaching before like 100.

wow.

<<That just may be the single stupidest thing ive ever seen posted on these boards. HAHA

Read more of his posts.


Trebber

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It is intended to be a game, and while it never made sense for me to be able to bounce across the rainbow road or whatever it was called when I played Candyland, it never stopped me from doing it and enjoying the game.

>>:oP Ragran

If you want to be witty, I'd suggest the use of spellcheck and a dictionary since you obviously don't understand what you just posted.

I am --- Navak

<<That just may be the single stupidest thing ive ever seen posted on these boards. HAHA

<<Read more of his posts.

haha, trebber beat me to it.

Falker

>>first Tier spells are suppose to STOP teaching just below second teir spells, other wise there is no point in having other teirs.

The point of tiers is added damage/funcionality


Strangeguard Prayermaster

I still learn PM, harness, and TM better when dancing Cobra back to back then I do dancing Wolverine.

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>But do roars still teach targetted as well?
>also, ever since the change, zerks haven't taught nearly as well.

hey i thought no game secrets allowed to posted on boards?

board monitor?

<Makes popcorn>

<Observes>

I hope that's some good popcorn because most elotheans realized this conflict ended almost a month ago.

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ZOW!!!

I barely read anything outside of the General Discussions/Familiar/Title folder.

Mostly because everything you morons say is pointless :|

Just kidding... die in a fire now, thanks.

-meanne-

>die in a fire now, thanks.

Is it weird that I've heard that twice today?

-Durnil