Our race has not had a release at all, not so much as a single book or fluff verb or even one new word added into our language in over 5 years time.

The last "release" we had was the racial charts that were released for every race out there. The boards don't go back far enough to see any release before that, but there's been nothing put out there for Elves in a LONG time.

This is the last official update on Elven racial champions

>>Races Guru is Cadaya. Elven Race Champions are Valdrik, Taiga, and Taenorahle.

Which, as you can see from the names on that list, is obviously a little outdated.

>>>>>Is there an ETA on these new elf books?
>>Yes! Unfortunately, I can't share it. :D But I'm not going to say "soon", at least!
>>-Tessima

This was the last post that referenced any sort of release for Elves in any way at all. It was dated 9/4/2003 and we haven't heard a thing about these books that were apparently being worked on since then.

Last poll I saw had Elves coming in as the second largest race right behind humans. Despite all that, we've had no development or work being done on our race at all. We have a handful of roleplaying verbs, all of which are actually so fruity that I'd like a toggle to avoid having my ears turn red or playing pattycake with someone. We've got a pair of books out there which are actually well written and a great starting point, but nothing past then.

We have all this history relating to our clans, to our heritage, to our abilities and our mythology but nothing has been done with any of it for longer than I've even been around.

Going back and reading through every post in this folder from the past 5 years I see a lot of great ideas from a lot of great people. I see a lot of GMs talking about good things coming and none of those things ever have.

Is there any chance that we can beg to any GM out there who currently isn't affiliated with a race and get them to come and play with us? Any GMs reading this folder who like our race, like our history and our players and want to see what they can do to help us out?

We've got great players out there with a lot of good ideas for Elves but we don't have anyone to help push those ideas into the game and I think we desperately need someone.


-Teeklin

This post (including the signature) is in no way meant to offend anyone nor is it an attempt to troll or be "cute". Hopefully my opinions do not conflict with yours in any way.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Agreed. I would especially like to see the long awaited Clan development.


- Xelten Tyrsin

Please, do tell what library these books were released into. Any Elven book is a good Elven book.

Just hard to go find and read these books if there's no post made in the Elven folder about them being released.

Any release for us is a good release, even if it only effects the small population of "Elven characters who want to get married in a traditional Elven ceremony and are able to find books released in game without any post on the subject in the Elven folder."


-Teeklin

This post (including the signature) is in no way meant to offend anyone nor is it an attempt to troll or be "cute". Hopefully my opinions do not conflict with yours in any way.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

>> I would especially like to see the long awaited Clan development.

Seconded. Give us clans already, pretty please?

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Rev. Reene, player of a few

Kystrk quietly says, "I'm going to burn this place down"
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Kystrk takes a sip of his water.

at least give us clan related titles.. like sand elf, wind elf etc. How hard could that be?

You are Honorable Kissa Umay, Spirit Healer of the Sand Elf Clan (or some specific clan name)

<<Solomon mentioned the coming of the river clan area this year, maybe one of the boats will be bringing the clan registration booths.>>

Not to rain on your parade, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. It's possible, just not probable.

-Chakram

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"NVNC ID VIDES, NVNC NE VIDES"

"Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before" - Mae West

Other characters are free to join, as well. There are plenty of ways to write a new character into a plot.

>>he's sort of..culture shocked, I suppose. Does this seem like it's appropriate, in general?<<

More likely he would look at the others with disdain or perhaps reserved amusement. Certainly possible though if that is how you want to play your character.

Elamari, I am not sure about.

<<Are all bone Elves Necromancers
Probably not

<<Necromancy always has to do with the undead, yes or no?
No.

Nikpack

Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill

And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z

>>Are all bone Elves Necromancers...

Somebody's got to clean the toilets. It's illogical to assign guild-identity to Elven (or Dwarven, or Human) subsets, since each one needs to field every profession necessary to keep their flavor of society going, from tailors to warlords. The Elotheans currently have the only social setup where that might possibly work.

>>...and Necromancy always has to do with the undead, yes or no?

No. Though it's obviously an iconic (and arguably the most useful) part of the deal.

-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl

>>Somebody's got to clean the toilets. It's illogical to assign guild-identity to Elven (or Dwarven, or Human) subsets, since each one needs to field every profession necessary to keep their flavor of society going, from tailors to warlords. The Elotheans currently have the only social setup where that might possibly work.

Profession doesn't insist on any particular method. You could hand me a dustcloth and tell me to dust all the shelves in your office by lunchtime, and if I knew a cantrip that could lift dust off shelves and items therein I could easily set down my dustcloth and cast a spell. Then, because magic is always so much faster, I can go goof off for a while without you knowing (or so I believe.)

That said, it's fairly unlikely that one particular method naturally holds sway over any group of individuals.

DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.

I've always operated with the understanding that the Bone Elf clan is made up of much broader organization than the secretive cabal of powerful necromancers, sorcerers and enchanters that surely make up its most inner circle around Sidhlot.

I can't find the links right now (I'm four or five computer upgrades removed from having them saved in my browser at this point), but my recollection is that a large section (perhaps the majority at this point?) of the Bone Elf clan membership is made up of the cast outs from the other clans and not actual descendants of the original followers of Sidhlot that broke away from Morganae.

So the suggestion by Matron Selidhn that Bone Elves 'look like any other Elf' is, I think, partially due to the fact that they might very well naturally be of any other clan.

In game play by Bone Elven GMNPCs over the years has at times supported the notion that not every Bone Elf is a necromancer. For instance, one example of an event included two Bone Elves that I met on the road north of Leth Deriel. I can't recall everything that was going on with the event anymore, but one of them was a ranger and the other I want to say was a cleric or a thief?

My perspective has always been that the Bone Elf clan is, by virtue of its isolation and Sidhlot's agenda over the years, closer to an insidious underground organization with an agenda than a sprawling individualized and environment-influenced culture like some of the other clans (city elves, forest elves, sand elves, wind elves, etc.) seem to be. In that line of thinking, it made a lot of sense for the Bone Elf room at the festival to be linked through a secret door in the Mountain Elf room.

>> So the suggestion by Matron Selidhn that Bone Elves 'look like any other Elf' is, I think, partially due to the fact that they might very well naturally be of any other clan.

It's fair to attribute it partly to that (and that does make sense that the true outcasts of other clans would migrate to one that might accept them) but there is also the tradition of bridal abduction that would probably introduce all sorts of new blood into the system and make your average Bone Elf pretty hard to distinguish.

There is obviously some kind of culture there, but I don't think it's wrong to assert it's pretty decentralized and that the books mostly just describe the "inner circle" which revolves around Sidhlot.

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Rev. Reene

Gylwyn says to you, "Heretics are often the finders of truth."

>> Are the Outcasts the Sand Elves, or are the two peoples not related at all?

Outcasts are disproportionately Elven. Sand Elves are a separate clan, though there's a bit of crossover due to intermarriage. Not all Outcasts are Elves, just most of them.

>> Also, if a Mountain Elf and a Wind Elf wed and have children, are their children Mountain Elves or Wind Elves? Is it a question of choice, upbringing and/or location of upbringing? Are they neither?

Elven families are matrilineal. So generally, whichever clan the mother is, that would be what the child is. However, the child also inherits the rights and status of both families. I think if they grew up among the father's clan instead of the mother's they could choose to associate and identify with the culture they grew up with. This might vary depending on which clan you're talking about.

>> Further (and perhaps by contrast), if a Bone Elf and a Wind Elf wed and have children, whether the Wind Elf knew the true clan affiliation of their mate or not, are their children possible Bone Elves?

I think the knee-jerk reaction to this from your average Elf would be to call them a Bone Elf and tell them to sod off, regardless of if they or their other parent knew; it's definitely something I would expect them to want to keep secret.

Bone Elves are the only Elven clan that is patrilineal, incidentally. In instances of bridal abduction I imagine any child produced from the union is considered of that clan by that clan regardless of what the mother has to say about it.

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Rev. Reene

Gylwyn says to you, "Heretics are often the finders of truth."

>>Elven families are matrilineal. So generally, whichever clan the mother is, that would be what the child is. However, the child also inherits the rights and status of both families. I think if they grew up among the father's clan instead of the mother's they could choose to associate and identify with the culture they grew up with.

This was my understanding from some of the reading I had done earlier on, as I was trying to develop or flesh out my back story.

Francelia.

Yay for Team Elf. I'm glad there is a Team Elf, I think the clan shop at the festival was a great step in the right direction.


- Terra

For more informaiton on Wind Elves..I would read the bit on Elanthipedia, of course, and then go to the libraries section of Elanthipedia and look in the Crossings Academy library for information on wedding rituals. That provides a bit more insight into their culture.

And you could also visit Zaldi Taipa (Horse Clan) in Ilithi for more information, as that is a Wind Elf clan.


Terra

~ The song that is irresistable ~

My bard in plat is a River Elf as well, and some of the information he draws from is in-game books (Trefaun Draus, Elven Folks, Marriage Customs) and lore related to the Merelew which I see as potentially influential in river elf history. (Elanthipedia has good links)

Ilaya Taipa is in itself influential in my character's outlook, having a deep enjoyment of the dwarves culture and lands and their weavings into the greater sum that is Kemoria.

In plat you can find me as Ryken.

- The Moose

I've met a few River Elves in Prime actually. Francelica comes to mind. I'm having a hard time remembering the names of the others though.

- Terra

Foresee is a Wind Elf, but through a convoluted string of backstory and arpee his mother is a River Elf and he has spent a not insignificant amount of time with them.


- George, Player of Foresee