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Family lines are matrilineal, but children inherit rights/privileges/etc from both bloodlines and clans.
So he could just choose to associate with the father's side instead.
Rev. Reene
Foresee exclaims, "Everyone is always so suspicious! "What was that powder you just slipped into my drink?" They don't ask the other sects that!"
IDONS-BUDDY
ANNEGRAY
Re: River Elves?
08/18/2009 03:38 PM CDT
Francelia is definately of the River Clan. She is currently living in Ilithi. Look her up if you are down that way,
I have never met another, though I have met Kandalas and perhaps the subject never came up.
Francelia (Traveling Empath)
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Fantasy is an exercise bicycle for the mind. It might not take you anywhere, but it tones up the muscles that can. Of course, I could be wrong. ~Terry Prachett~
I have never met another, though I have met Kandalas and perhaps the subject never came up.
Francelia (Traveling Empath)
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Fantasy is an exercise bicycle for the mind. It might not take you anywhere, but it tones up the muscles that can. Of course, I could be wrong. ~Terry Prachett~
DRISCOLLS
Re: River Elves?
08/19/2009 08:11 AM CDT
Issus is a River Elf, and also down in Ilithi. He doesn't really talk about it all that much, though, which is why I'm not surprised that people he knows are unaware of it. River Elves=Best Elves IMO :D
-=Issus=-
-=Issus=-
MORDIMER00
Re: River Elves?
08/28/2009 10:08 AM CDT
I always thought of titles and names as IC, the way i look at it is that the players are such a small but prominent part of the Elanthian population that at one time or another somehow I heard about Issus and that he's a Bard of the Ilithi Court. Acting like you don't know their name and title is taking RP to the extreme.
ANNEGRAY
Re: River Elves?
08/28/2009 11:57 AM CDT
Knowing the official title of someone,or their profession, doesn't necessarily mean you know what clan they (elves most particularly)are from. There are a few ways to tell, but unless it is discussed usually an elf, is an elf, is an elf...
Francelia (completely lost as usual)
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Fantasy is an exercise bicycle for the mind. It might not take you anywhere, but it tones up the muscles that can. Of course, I could be wrong. ~Terry Prachett~
Francelia (completely lost as usual)
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Fantasy is an exercise bicycle for the mind. It might not take you anywhere, but it tones up the muscles that can. Of course, I could be wrong. ~Terry Prachett~
CEMM
Re: River Elves?
08/28/2009 12:12 PM CDT
<<I always thought of titles and names as IC, the way i look at it is that the players are such a small but prominent part of the Elanthian population that at one time or another somehow I heard about Issus and that he's a Bard of the Ilithi Court.
I agree that the player-run characters represent a very small percentage of the overall Kremorian population.
One comparison I've made in the past was to our sports and entertainment industry stars. They're the Michael Jordans and Heidi Klum's of Elanthia.
Staying with that comparison, how many of you can name every player on every MLB baseball team in America without googling for team rosters? Sure, Jeter and Santana and Ramirez are easy.
I can reel a lot of the big stars names off the top of my head. But there are a heck of a lot of players that I wouldn't recognize even after reading their names on the team rosters, and they're appearing on the field on TV and in the newspaper all the time. Maybe they're not the big stars, but they still get their at-bats/screen time and such.
Elanthia doesn't have TV and the internet to spread fame though. It relies on newspapers and word of mouth, some of that pushed along by bards who specialize in spreading the news.
So while I might buy into the argument that Sir Madigan is such a household name that my character would have a pretty decent shot at recognizing him from newspaper caricatures and descriptions of him there, can the same thing be said about my character Cemm that hasn't been logged into the game for more than five to ten minutes since 1999 or so?
Even if Cemm is an extraordinary person by virtue of being a flame-slinging elementalist, there is just no way everyone in the world knows who he is at this point some forty years after he was last an active adventurer.
There's no good reason that anyone should have the foggiest idea who Cemm is, much less his affiliations, if I log him in for a stroll around the Crossing. Nothing about his appearance (beyond that his name and guild affiliation are showing), clothing included, would offer any hints whatsoever.
<<Acting like you don't know their name and title is taking RP to the extreme.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I do understand that I'm part of a very tiny minority of the playerbase that thinks this way though.
I agree that the player-run characters represent a very small percentage of the overall Kremorian population.
One comparison I've made in the past was to our sports and entertainment industry stars. They're the Michael Jordans and Heidi Klum's of Elanthia.
Staying with that comparison, how many of you can name every player on every MLB baseball team in America without googling for team rosters? Sure, Jeter and Santana and Ramirez are easy.
I can reel a lot of the big stars names off the top of my head. But there are a heck of a lot of players that I wouldn't recognize even after reading their names on the team rosters, and they're appearing on the field on TV and in the newspaper all the time. Maybe they're not the big stars, but they still get their at-bats/screen time and such.
Elanthia doesn't have TV and the internet to spread fame though. It relies on newspapers and word of mouth, some of that pushed along by bards who specialize in spreading the news.
So while I might buy into the argument that Sir Madigan is such a household name that my character would have a pretty decent shot at recognizing him from newspaper caricatures and descriptions of him there, can the same thing be said about my character Cemm that hasn't been logged into the game for more than five to ten minutes since 1999 or so?
Even if Cemm is an extraordinary person by virtue of being a flame-slinging elementalist, there is just no way everyone in the world knows who he is at this point some forty years after he was last an active adventurer.
There's no good reason that anyone should have the foggiest idea who Cemm is, much less his affiliations, if I log him in for a stroll around the Crossing. Nothing about his appearance (beyond that his name and guild affiliation are showing), clothing included, would offer any hints whatsoever.
<<Acting like you don't know their name and title is taking RP to the extreme.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I do understand that I'm part of a very tiny minority of the playerbase that thinks this way though.
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/28/2009 03:19 PM CDT
Titles and names are the quantum entities of DR. Embodiment of the dual states of In Character and Out Of Character at the same time. With each state presenting it self to the person that observes the particular state they want.
While making introductions is always polite. Saying, "how do you know my name?" is annoying and a bit jarring. It can put too much strain on a person's RP when they are forced to improvise a reason for a quasi IC/OOC thing.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
| <<Acting like you don't know their name and title is taking RP to the extreme. |
| We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I do understand that I'm part of a very tiny minority of the playerbase that thinks this way though. |
While making introductions is always polite. Saying, "how do you know my name?" is annoying and a bit jarring. It can put too much strain on a person's RP when they are forced to improvise a reason for a quasi IC/OOC thing.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/28/2009 03:22 PM CDT
>> While making introductions is always polite. Saying, "how do you know my name?" is annoying and a bit jarring. It can put too much strain on a person's RP when they are forced to improvise a reason for a quasi IC/OOC thing.
If you can't come up with a good reason, perhaps you shouldn't do it.
This applies to a lot of things and information that people take from OOC sources in-game.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
If you can't come up with a good reason, perhaps you shouldn't do it.
This applies to a lot of things and information that people take from OOC sources in-game.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
MCNALLYT
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 12:35 AM CDT
I try never to use someone's name unless they've told it to me.
It takes two seconds to say something like "Pleased to meet you. They call me Golgol," then the other person introduces themselves. No problem. Also, you can learn a lot about a character from the sort of pleasantries they use. If I don't care to learn someone's name I just use say } to talk with them.
-Golgol
It takes two seconds to say something like "Pleased to meet you. They call me Golgol," then the other person introduces themselves. No problem. Also, you can learn a lot about a character from the sort of pleasantries they use. If I don't care to learn someone's name I just use say } to talk with them.
-Golgol
CEMM
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 09:06 AM CDT
<<While making introductions is always polite. Saying, "how do you know my name?" is annoying and a bit jarring. It can put too much strain on a person's RP when they are forced to improvise a reason for a quasi IC/OOC thing.
Right, because I should be as concerned about the annoying strain on their lazy halfhearted 'RP' as they clearly are about mine...oh, wait...they couldn't care less.
Heh. I actually am though and tend not to add to the jarring interaction when someone else has initiated it, as much for my own already jostled immersion as theirs and everyone else's.
It's a matter of picking one's battles. Forcing the issue during what sometimes serves for 'in-character interaction' ingame is not the right time. Discussing it whenever it comes up on the forums, regardless of how much I might be in the minority, IS.
Right, because I should be as concerned about the annoying strain on their lazy halfhearted 'RP' as they clearly are about mine...oh, wait...they couldn't care less.
Heh. I actually am though and tend not to add to the jarring interaction when someone else has initiated it, as much for my own already jostled immersion as theirs and everyone else's.
It's a matter of picking one's battles. Forcing the issue during what sometimes serves for 'in-character interaction' ingame is not the right time. Discussing it whenever it comes up on the forums, regardless of how much I might be in the minority, IS.
PINKSQUID
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 09:48 AM CDT
My character's name has three syllables and she prefers to be called by the last two. It's kind of amazing how many people, even after she has introduced herself, call her by the first syllable. They shouldn't even know that syllable exists!
That said, I also don't do a 'How did you know that?!' mostly because I assume their answer would be even more jarring than already knowing her name. It's actually a pretty efficient way of keeping track of who I think is an immersive RPer and not.
That said, I also don't do a 'How did you know that?!' mostly because I assume their answer would be even more jarring than already knowing her name. It's actually a pretty efficient way of keeping track of who I think is an immersive RPer and not.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 03:38 PM CDT
It's not remotely difficult to come up with a plausible answer to the "why do you know my name?" question.
I was just saying if you can't be arsed to come up with an answer you shouldn't do it to start with.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
I was just saying if you can't be arsed to come up with an answer you shouldn't do it to start with.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
KOUGEN
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 04:20 PM CDT
>It's not remotely difficult to come up with a plausible answer to the "why do you know my name?" question.
"That other guy said it ten minutes ago."
"You responded to it on the gweth and I recognized your voice."
"I asked a friend after I saw you in passing the other day."
"That other guy said it ten minutes ago."
"You responded to it on the gweth and I recognized your voice."
"I asked a friend after I saw you in passing the other day."
ENOTS
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 04:39 PM CDT
"I recognized you by reputation."
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 04:56 PM CDT
does an argument for the triviality of the answer help or hinder the person who insists that people should know names before hand?
I guess it can be considered small talk. The trivial answer after "how are you?" is "fine." Since it is what people will say a majority of the time that doesn't stop people from asking it.
I think my deal with it is, the question, "how do you know my name?" brings undue attention to the OOC mechanic with out enhancing any of the RP or IC components. To me the negatives out weight the positives.
I should explain that I didn't mean an intellectual strain on RP when I made my comment earlier. Mechanics are a big elephant in the room, it is bad form, even if you are staying perfectly in character, to draw attention to that elephant when we are all trying so hard to over look it.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
I guess it can be considered small talk. The trivial answer after "how are you?" is "fine." Since it is what people will say a majority of the time that doesn't stop people from asking it.
I think my deal with it is, the question, "how do you know my name?" brings undue attention to the OOC mechanic with out enhancing any of the RP or IC components. To me the negatives out weight the positives.
I should explain that I didn't mean an intellectual strain on RP when I made my comment earlier. Mechanics are a big elephant in the room, it is bad form, even if you are staying perfectly in character, to draw attention to that elephant when we are all trying so hard to over look it.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:00 PM CDT
>> I think my deal with it is, the question, "how do you know my name?" brings undue attention to the OOC mechanic with out enhancing any of the RP or IC components. To me the negatives out weight the positives.
Or you can do the cool thing and use it as an opportunity for RP.
Then again, you can do that with things like getting murdered by someone out of the blue, and we all know how you handle situations like that.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
Or you can do the cool thing and use it as an opportunity for RP.
Then again, you can do that with things like getting murdered by someone out of the blue, and we all know how you handle situations like that.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:19 PM CDT
<<you can do that with things like getting murdered by someone out of the blue, and we all know how you handle situations like that.>>
mmm kay... ad hominum attack, I guess that means you win. How will I ever trounce logic like that. Oh wait, it is the only trick you got.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
mmm kay... ad hominum attack, I guess that means you win. How will I ever trounce logic like that. Oh wait, it is the only trick you got.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:30 PM CDT
No, see, I only do that when I've already finished proving you wrong.
And if you see absolutely nothing wrong with your behavior, why precisely would you call it an offensive personal attack when I bring it up?
It's clear and obvious by your own statements you choose not to take the path of roleplay in certain situations. This is entirely relevant to this discussion.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
And if you see absolutely nothing wrong with your behavior, why precisely would you call it an offensive personal attack when I bring it up?
It's clear and obvious by your own statements you choose not to take the path of roleplay in certain situations. This is entirely relevant to this discussion.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:40 PM CDT
uhhh yeah... I use people's names with out being introduced and find the "how do you know my name/what title?" annoying. I'm not an RP purest, never claimed to be. Your point?
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:42 PM CDT
I'm more referring to you finding the "how do you know my name?" question OOC and inappropriate.
It's perfectly appropriate, IC, and entirely possible that it could lead to more interesting RP.
You dismissing it wholesale as OOC and something people shouldn't do because you personally cannot handle being put on the spot like that is ridiculous.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
It's perfectly appropriate, IC, and entirely possible that it could lead to more interesting RP.
You dismissing it wholesale as OOC and something people shouldn't do because you personally cannot handle being put on the spot like that is ridiculous.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
JMF90
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:44 PM CDT
>You dismissing it wholesale as OOC and something people shouldn't do because you personally cannot handle being put on the spot like that is ridiculous.
He was saying he thought it was often OOC. And I agree.
He was saying he thought it was often OOC. And I agree.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:47 PM CDT
Explain how, then.
I just started going back to school this last week. About four people walked up to me and addressed me by name that I for the life of me did not know. So I asked them how they knew me, and they all had different answers that we branched off from to talk about.
Gosh, was I being OOC IRL too?
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
I just started going back to school this last week. About four people walked up to me and addressed me by name that I for the life of me did not know. So I asked them how they knew me, and they all had different answers that we branched off from to talk about.
Gosh, was I being OOC IRL too?
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:57 PM CDT
I might not have illustrated my thoughts very clearly. I tried to say that I do find it IC but the act brings attention to the OOC mechanic. I didn't mean to say that i thought it was OOC to say that.
It is IC, but i feel unnecessary since the use actually points to the OOC mechanic rather than to an RP enhancement. I'm not sure if that is any clearer.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
It is IC, but i feel unnecessary since the use actually points to the OOC mechanic rather than to an RP enhancement. I'm not sure if that is any clearer.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
JMF90
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 05:59 PM CDT
Introducing yourself is a plat custom, it isn't a standard in prime and it isn't necessary because of the mechanics. Every adventurer is assumed to be well known. Since a lot of the time we know someone's name only via the OOC mechanic, demanding to know how someone knows your name puts them on the spot. It isn't that you can't do it, just that it would be bad form to always do it, since it brings up the name mechanic.
But you know all this already.
But you know all this already.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:08 PM CDT
One of the first rules I follow is "assume good faith."
Even if you're wrong about a person's intentions when they ask to know how you know of them, assuming good faith will lead to better roleplay than assuming bad faith and raging impotently about how they called attention to your metagaming.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
Even if you're wrong about a person's intentions when they ask to know how you know of them, assuming good faith will lead to better roleplay than assuming bad faith and raging impotently about how they called attention to your metagaming.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:17 PM CDT
I see the act itself being independent of intent in this situation. You can have the purest RP intentions, the act still points at the OOC elephant too much.
Another example. I see giving directions is in the same vein as knowing someone's name. Our characters have perfect direction sense at all times. People with good RP intentions will say, "where have you heard of me?" but won't say, "which way is northeast?" after i give a long list of "head west than north than northest to teh bush than go down teh trail." At least none that I have interacted with.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Another example. I see giving directions is in the same vein as knowing someone's name. Our characters have perfect direction sense at all times. People with good RP intentions will say, "where have you heard of me?" but won't say, "which way is northeast?" after i give a long list of "head west than north than northest to teh bush than go down teh trail." At least none that I have interacted with.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:22 PM CDT
While I have terrible direction sense IRL, I do know people who will give directions to places using cardinal directions. I then feel silly when I have to ask them which way is northwest.
I just assume my character is more awesome than I am. I would not be the least bit bothered if someone went "okay, which way is that?" Then I just POINT.
None of this is jarring unless you want it to be. And people call me a RP nazi, seriously.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
I just assume my character is more awesome than I am. I would not be the least bit bothered if someone went "okay, which way is that?" Then I just POINT.
None of this is jarring unless you want it to be. And people call me a RP nazi, seriously.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
RAB1DW0MBAT
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:34 PM CDT
CAELUMIA,
Can I be a River Elf?
- Sir Korsik Rippentropp, Most Noble Paladine
Crusader against the Innocent
Defender of All That is Wrong
Can I be a River Elf?
- Sir Korsik Rippentropp, Most Noble Paladine
Crusader against the Innocent
Defender of All That is Wrong
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:34 PM CDT
sure baby whatever you want <3
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
RAB1DW0MBAT
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:35 PM CDT
Thanks my dearest sweet Caelumia, I shall not let you down! <3
- Sir Korsik Rippentropp, Most Noble Paladine
Crusader against the Innocent
Defender of All That is Wrong
- Sir Korsik Rippentropp, Most Noble Paladine
Crusader against the Innocent
Defender of All That is Wrong
YAMCER
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:42 PM CDT
If i can stretch that a bit more... how would your character respond to " how do you know that way is north?' or "how do you know that is heavy slice?" or "how did you know there was (event on calender) going on?"
The nitpick I'm having is when a character requests an explanation to my knowledge when that knowledge comes from a quasi-IC/OOC source. It makes me as a player notice the mechanic more when I have to make an excuse up for it existing. I get this a lot because of how I play some of my characters.
An example: Asking a MU disguised thief to teach target magic, while perfectly IC, attacks a mechanic that must be excused (instead of having a mechanic in place to help RP).
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
The nitpick I'm having is when a character requests an explanation to my knowledge when that knowledge comes from a quasi-IC/OOC source. It makes me as a player notice the mechanic more when I have to make an excuse up for it existing. I get this a lot because of how I play some of my characters.
An example: Asking a MU disguised thief to teach target magic, while perfectly IC, attacks a mechanic that must be excused (instead of having a mechanic in place to help RP).
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:45 PM CDT
Your lack of creativity is your problem, not mine.
There are answers to all of those situations, And frankly, they are all situations I've dealt with at one point or another, and had no problem reacting to.
Cooperative storytelling, remember? You only get to dictate your own responses, not the other guys'.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
There are answers to all of those situations, And frankly, they are all situations I've dealt with at one point or another, and had no problem reacting to.
Cooperative storytelling, remember? You only get to dictate your own responses, not the other guys'.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
LORD-RAHL
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:46 PM CDT
I'm with Yamcer and JMF on this one.
"Hi Mozzik!"
"... how do you know my name?"
Isn't not OOC but it's silly, because of the reasons mentioned. It's highlighting a mechanical limit of the game, even if it's not an inherently OOC limit. It'd be like me walking up and asking someone how they're doing their finger licking spell prep despite having both hands cut off, or how exactly are they playing drums WHILE collecting sticks or... countless other mechanical things that we accept because they're mechanics, even if they don't make IG sense.
In plat its different, because they've decided to work with mechanics differently. In prime if we had a tradition of all agreeing that we wouldn't play instruments while collecting because it didn't make sense even if the mechanics allowed it and you caught someone doing it, you might point it out to indicate what they're doing while possible isn't koshur. Knowing people's names in Prime is the way we've all agreed to handle the mechanic.
Another example is typos - we all do it, say something we didn't mean to, rub the wrong person, whatever... and we all understand it's a mechanic issue so no matter what the game says it's considered polite to let it go and move on (Though there might be some snickering if it was a particullarly good one...). Sure you could try and turn it into an RP thing of like "are you SURE you don't secretly have a crush on person X you rubbed instead of person Y?" but you don't.
On the other hand if someone approached me and was like "Hey Mozzik, can you show me Sever Thread?" Because they know I know it from the forums I'd certainly respond with something more like "How do you know that?" Otherwise you're just needlessly putting someone on the spot because they used a mechanic the socially acceptable way to use it.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
"Hi Mozzik!"
"... how do you know my name?"
Isn't not OOC but it's silly, because of the reasons mentioned. It's highlighting a mechanical limit of the game, even if it's not an inherently OOC limit. It'd be like me walking up and asking someone how they're doing their finger licking spell prep despite having both hands cut off, or how exactly are they playing drums WHILE collecting sticks or... countless other mechanical things that we accept because they're mechanics, even if they don't make IG sense.
In plat its different, because they've decided to work with mechanics differently. In prime if we had a tradition of all agreeing that we wouldn't play instruments while collecting because it didn't make sense even if the mechanics allowed it and you caught someone doing it, you might point it out to indicate what they're doing while possible isn't koshur. Knowing people's names in Prime is the way we've all agreed to handle the mechanic.
Another example is typos - we all do it, say something we didn't mean to, rub the wrong person, whatever... and we all understand it's a mechanic issue so no matter what the game says it's considered polite to let it go and move on (Though there might be some snickering if it was a particullarly good one...). Sure you could try and turn it into an RP thing of like "are you SURE you don't secretly have a crush on person X you rubbed instead of person Y?" but you don't.
On the other hand if someone approached me and was like "Hey Mozzik, can you show me Sever Thread?" Because they know I know it from the forums I'd certainly respond with something more like "How do you know that?" Otherwise you're just needlessly putting someone on the spot because they used a mechanic the socially acceptable way to use it.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 06:50 PM CDT
Just yesterday a newb moon mage came up to me and asked me if I could tell them about some random lore and prediction thing.
I asked them how they knew who I was. We got into a nice short discussion about how they'd heard of me which segued into some other interesting conversations.
Assume good faith. I know it's really hard, but try it.
If your metagaming makes you that uncomfortable, then don't do it.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
I asked them how they knew who I was. We got into a nice short discussion about how they'd heard of me which segued into some other interesting conversations.
Assume good faith. I know it's really hard, but try it.
If your metagaming makes you that uncomfortable, then don't do it.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
LORD-RAHL
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:01 PM CDT
You're missing the point.
The metagaming isn't making uncomfortable.
It's you putting them on the spot over it. It's rude.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
The metagaming isn't making uncomfortable.
It's you putting them on the spot over it. It's rude.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:07 PM CDT
Assuming the point is to put them on the spot is just as rude, and infinitely more damaging to the scene.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
LORD-RAHL
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:17 PM CDT
It doesn't matter if that's the point or not, it's what you come off as doing.
You're the one breaking the conventions of the server society, not them.
As has been pointed out, the situation is reversed in Plat.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
You're the one breaking the conventions of the server society, not them.
As has been pointed out, the situation is reversed in Plat.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:21 PM CDT
>> You're the one breaking the conventions of the server society, not them.
Except for the part where I'm not.
Reading comprehension. You're assuming bad faith. Stop Doing That.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
Except for the part where I'm not.
Reading comprehension. You're assuming bad faith. Stop Doing That.
Rev. Reene
"...[gods] are symbols in a way that no human being, however 'archetypal', can ever be. They are actors playing parts that are real only for us; they are the masks behind which we see our own faces."
KOUGEN
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:22 PM CDT
>"Hi Mozzik!"
>"... how do you know my name?"
... Dude, we've known each other for like, 30 years.
>"... how do you know my name?"
... Dude, we've known each other for like, 30 years.
JULIAN
Re: River Elves?
08/29/2009 07:23 PM CDT
>>You're assuming bad faith. Stop Doing That.<<
You know it makes people uncomfortable on an OOC level but you persist in doing it anyway. That's the very definition of bad faith, isn't it?
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
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You know it makes people uncomfortable on an OOC level but you persist in doing it anyway. That's the very definition of bad faith, isn't it?
- Mazrian
The Flying Company
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