SO long as she's grateful/appreciative for the healing, what's the problem? Perhaps she's choosing to change professions.

~Chris, player of Field Medic Nimmi

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. - Unknown

Maybe she lied to try to make a healing request more fair. I know many empaths will heal a fellow empath much more quickly than a random warrior and perhaps she did not want that kind of preferential treatment. I really don't understand why you are giving this person a hard time. (Nope - I don't know them, never heard the name prior to this thread.)

And using perc health to prove that someone is an Empath is just as ridiculous as using it to prove that someone isn't an Empath. (like a thief in disguise) You don't really know that she is not a Ranger - perhaps she has empathic life essence because she's gifted but chose to take on the Ranger profession. Try taking it up in game...perhaps there's good reason she chooses to walk around as a Ranger.

~Chris, player of Field Medic Nimmi

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. - Unknown

The way I see it, the liar took wounds in order to gain experience and then went to try to get another empath to handle the injuries so that she might again be healthy and go out to gain still more experience in safety while her victim sat for half an hour healing up.

Perhaps the people defending Nipa are unaware that empaths do not get experience for transferring wounds from another empath.

Passionata the cynical

<<I am fully aware that empaths do not get exp for healing another empath. Is that the only reason to heal someone?>>

No, I can think of no other reason to heal someone who lies about being an empath ... and remember I'm someone who doesn't get a significant amount of experience from healing ANYONE, empath or not. I assure you that I do not see healing as merely a means to guild advancement. However, I strenuously object to someone dishonestly trying to improve their own position at the expense of another person.

Passionata

Well it's pretty crystal clear that she lied, so what difference do her motives make?

~Evye

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[anon] I don't want to marry him, just drag him around for a bit.

A plain origami horse asks, "Wanna ride?"

Liars don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Do you lie a lot or something? You're awfully defensive.


~Evye

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[anon] I don't want to marry him, just drag him around for a bit.

A plain origami horse asks, "Wanna ride?"

Maybe this person actually used that crossbow, and has shock? It's possible that they couldn't heal themselves. However, I, too, have seen quite a few young Empaths asking, "Can I get a heal?" Not from mine, ya won't. Go buy some herbs, and sit and wait. I'm not going to be critical of anyone else's point of view, but my Empaths will not be healing any others, without good reason. Things like, "I can't heal my internals", I'll heal them ONCE, and tell them not to take any more, until they can do it themselves. After that, I just point to the cabinet. Removing title/profession and trying to "get a heal" so they can go gain more Empathy is more of a mule tactic, than anything. Funny, they don't realize learning to cast is equally as important.

~PELIC

>>Maybe this person actually used that crossbow, and has shock? It's possible that they couldn't heal themselves.

Sorry, Pelic, this is never an issue. Healing yourself is never affected by shock. The only reasons you might have for being unable to heal yourself are lack of resources (herbs, no nearby autopath/empath, mana, ability) or lack of desire (I don't want to heal, I've got an invite to a party that starts in an hour and I haven't even done my hair!).

J'Lo, no that other one

<<Which leads me to wonder why she didn't simply ask for aid with the wounds she couldn't heal herself, instead of engaging in deception.>>

Exactly! I have been healed by other empaths and have likewise healed empaths myself. I well remember being young and feeling like I was never going to have a whole body again. I would have given anything to be clean, just for a moment. When I see that I offer to help, it's three minutes' work for me and can really help an empath on the brink of insanity.

Helping people is good. Getting help is good. Lying in order to trick them into helping you is not so good.

Passionata

>>Healing yourself is never affected by shock.

Didn't know that.

Personally, I think those types (as in, heal me, I'm lazy.) need to be shunned. Good verb. Affects much more than people realize. Add a curse or two on top of it, and they'll be just right.

~PELIC

>>You can pretend all you want, but per health only shows empaths as empaths, end of story.

That's not strictly true. Sometimes they're hidden, and, well, sometimes you're lucky enough to realize they're about to kick the bucket.

>>If I remember correctly, the last time I took someone's shock, I couldn't heal myself. but I'd ask gromnir

Maybe you're buggy, then, or perhaps that last time was a REALLY long time ago (and therefore possibly subject to some since-replaced/modified shock mechanics). I indirectly helped Gromnir once via one of Dekk's shock parties this last month or two, and I certainly had no trouble healing myself with spells.

J'Lo, no that other one

>You can pretend all you want, but per health only shows empaths as empaths, end of story.
>That's not strictly true. Sometimes they're hidden, and, well, sometimes you're lucky enough to realize they're about to kick the bucket.

Perhaps the original statement should've been "perc health shows only empaths as empaths" in order to clarify it from "perc health shows empaths only as empaths."

The point was that no one who is not an empath will show up as an empath when you perc health.

~Y

Hee hee! Hey Mckeone! You didn't really think you could stay away, did you?
And um- to be slightly on-topic, how ethical is it to give this delinquent a long-overdue pouncing? ;)

Doryaa


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

>>And about that pouncing... You'll have to catch me first!

Hah! You're on!

::from the shadows you hear a maniacal cackle!::



Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

Several points...

1) unless something changed or I'm misinformed, having Shock does not prevent you from healing yourself. Healing spells do nothing in regards to Empathy. Hence the "Warrior who Heals" sometimes mentioned.

2) Lying about being an Empath may not be killing an Empath, or stealing from one, but it is still wrong. Most rogues I know wouldn't pretend to be an Empath, let alone kill or steal from one. My own brother-in-law and old friend wouldn't do it, granted he may be biased as his wife is an Empath. Nor is using Perceive Health wrong. It's one of the few gifts we get, and since it doesn't point out your guild, just whether you're an Empath or not, others whining about it will fall on deaf ears. To take that away would be as unfair as the advantages some get.

3) like others have said, there is no expierence gain... most of us don't gain it anyway (around 100-150 ranks I noticed a big difference) and while I heal fellow Empaths out of respect and value their lives, if this liar is using this to speed their own rise, it is WRONG, no argument, no defense. We've taken enough abuse, we don't need our own betraying us too.

Now that I'm done ranting (and yes, I do know it was a rant), I will simply say that this 'empath' needs to explain herself. Other guilds can be more lenient, but I know of several that similar behavior would find them walking the starry road before you can blink.


Zanquin, Empath of Elanthia

>>>Sometimes I pretend I'm a ballerina and go skipping through the forest praticing my spins in my pink tutu, who are you to tell me I'm not?

You worry me. And coming from a resident of these folders, that's really saying something. :oP

Amagaim; the player of,

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"I'm fine! Of course I'm fine! I'm just thinking of the amount of teapots a walrus could eat while juggling George Clooney and David Hasselhof!"

--- Eastwood, Exterminatus Now

Okay, I think we've exhausted the possibilities of what she could have been doing. In this case, Britia found her out and was not happy.

Now, I will say that an empath friend of mine used to sit in the guild and wait for empaths to ask if anyone was needing healing. It was kinda fun and he even awarded points to those that did it, and tipped them well. So it was fun...

I have had times when I was not in the position to heal myself...being afk or what not, so I got a friend to take my wounds. On the other hand, I have helped with other empath friends by taking their nerve damage while they regen, and other things.

It's best to be honest about it. That's the bottom line, and that's what Britia is most upset about (right?) I don't think any of us would have minded if she just wanted a heal and was willing to tip for it (grin)

~Brady, player of Elavin Rismel

not to sound callous or anything... but that sounds like a plain old DUMB empath. it doesn't take a genius to either LOOK at someone or PERCIEVE HEALTH to tell if someone is an empath or not... not to mention the obvious failure of logic to heal someone who isn't in danger of dying without asking


Souv

manipulate friendship maid
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A bar maid is not interested in your manipulations at this time. Perhaps later...

>Shock doesn't prevent an empath from using spells to heal themselves. I was well able to keep myself clean while dancing and recovering from the shock I've taken.

Correct, however there are some healing spells you cannot use while suffering from empathic shock, I.E. fp and cd. All non-castable spells are listed below.
Curse Disease
Flush Poisons
Raise Power
Gift of Life
Guardian Spirit
Heart Link (and in turn Nissa's Binding)

Biggest problem is also you cannot perceive health so you have no way of learning empathy. Yay swimming! So if any empath asks you to heal poison or disease because they can't while in shock, it's not a trick, they really can't. But if someone wants you to fully heal them and uses the same excuse they are either lazy or a "Deceitful Empath". Thx

K
Empathic Shock 24/7 for 14 days now and counting.

<<Biggest problem is also you cannot perceive health so you have no way of learning empathy

Wouldn't bloodworms and leeches still teach empathy? I don't see why they shouldn't.


Fedron says, "Sneeze and you'll step on somebody's toes, and there's no question they'll complain about it."

Fedron exclaims, "They're infringing on our superior sneezing ability!"