Anyone know the approxomite requirements to learn manipulate? Or could point me to a post that has them? Would be really appreciative.

Melien, the wanna-be combat empath.

Or, you could be sneaky like me and buy a CJ at circle 20. Get the boost from the CJ and learn it with 90 empathy, but Im just an impatient person. It was worth it.
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So, the caterpiller has emerged from the cocoon, as a shark, with a gun for a mouth.


You exclaim, "Im a mad skra!"
Tribanin chuckles.
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Ok, one more question now that I can play with this...is there a way to check how many manipulation links you have(IE if the ungrateful thing leaves the room and runs away?) Or to break your manipulation links other than waiting?

Melien, getting closer to combat empath.

Oh well, this is still a great ablility and I'm having a ton of fun playing with it.
Two ranks of empathy and counting since I learned it :-)

Melien, Certified Field Medic.

I had noticed that it was fed by concentration and thanks for the warning I hadn't thought about that...I'm in rats so really not needing to cast any spells, just trying to get my defenses up enough that I can actually walk into another hunting ground and be able to face anything. :-P I don't have innocence yet so I have to get that as soon as possible...any other suggestions on good empath hunter spells?

Melien.

>I don't have innocence yet so I have to get that as soon as possible...any other suggestions on good empath hunter spells?

I consider Innocence to be the be all and end all of empathic battle spells. Especially now that its usable on one critter at a time. I can snap cast a minimum innocence in sandies and clear the room. With a 10 cast and some time on it, I can boot a collection of hatchlings. I've shoved away barbarians nearly twice my circle with a 25-30 cast at full prep. It is, currently, the only really useful spell we have other than our healing spells, at least in my not at all humble opinion. I'm sure it will eventually be nerfed, as it is useful, but for right now, its great.

I tried Lethargy, which could have also been useful, and found it in the same category as Measured Breaths. Um, not useful. Might as well just use Raise Power, quite honestly. RP at least gives you something for your effort in addition to a drained harness pool.

GS, guardian spirit, uh, its good for perc health. That's about the only use I found for it on preview. Critters don't come in one at a time most places I hunt. As a matter of fact, most of the places I hunt they like to swarm. A 'guardian' that might distract one of them, for a bit, unless I retreat or cast innocence or ... uh, what was the point again? Remind me what that ugly nuisance is supposed to be doing out there other than taking up breathing space? Gah. I'd rather have a fir fam that could drag me in case of a stun, thanks.

AD, well, once you get about 400+ magic so you can keep it up with regen and really get them both to move together, then I could see it being worth something.

SoP, I tend to have this up, just because its my primary magic training spell. If it had some duration then it might be actually useful in combat. Oh, my husband and brother both like it, but then it stacks pretty well with MPP, MaPP, SoL, Benediction, Courage, DA, AS and so on. The 13 roisen max time on it though makes it more of a parlor trick than a truly useful combat buff.

Refresh is so much a lesser version of Zephyr and GoL so much less than Courage I never bothered with either of these. NB in a combat situation? Not with magic in the low 200's. Um, do we have any other spells that aren't direct healing?

Flat out, in my life, I use four spells ... HW, HS, FP, SoP and Inn. Less often I use IWH/ISH on nerves. Occasionally I use CD, Regen, BS and VH, the latter mostly just because I'm feeling lazy or don't have the mana at that moment to heal up. I have HL, I have some other spells, I think, maybe, but I never use them. I have two slots open or something like that, and no spells I actually want.

Could I get some general information about manipulating critters please? Or a point in the direction of some information on it.

I'm not sure of the verbage, skills needed or anything, so any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks much

Thanks so much for the great info!! That's exactly what I needed

>* You cannot manipulate undead or cursed creatures.

You can however attempt to manipulate them, which will cause them to become enraged (being naturally _un_friendly) and turn their attentions to you. I haven't tested this personally, but that could be very useful if you want to pull a beast off of someone else.

>* You can see which creatures you've manipulated by ASSESSing your combat.

You can only see the manipulate status of creatures you are engaged at combat with via ASSESS. They show up as 'friendly'.

>This only happens when you succeed at the attempt, and it seemed like it caused generation to spike upwards.


I'll have to remember that... anyone want to go hunt meys on Aesry with me?


~Heroiklim

Can you look out the window, without your shadow getting in the way?

>* You cannot manipulate undead or cursed creatures.

You can manipulate cursed critters, IE Adan'f, Scorps etc.

>Sounds like fun, Dio, especially if we can get a glyph to raise power.

Yup, he has that glyph and loves meys for backtraining. Ever see what an 80 stone BC impact war mattock does to a moss mey? Its even more spectacular than what it does to sand sprites.

>I'll be around most of the day tomorrow

Cool. I can't always hunt quite that well since I am at work, but meys, eh, they're easy. ;) I just don't let the boys mess with hatchlings since they can get swarmed under by them if they try hard enough. Have to get a gate over though, not that that's much of a challenge.

AIM is DiomidDR, btw. (Like that's a hard guess.)

J'lo..

>Not all of them, then. Faenrae reavers are cursed and while your skill/conc says you can do it all they do is advance on you (undead rage without the rage part).

The silverfish are another example you can toss in with the reavers.

For the most part, cursed can be manipulated.

A good ability for the PAFO.

Xochi

>>>A good ability for the PAFO.

>Maybe I can catch a faenrae reaver when it's not so crowded, then. Kind of difficult to test when every little critter in the area makes you run away.

>Any cursed critters you know of that are entirely unturnable? In case you hadn't noticed, I'm putting together a handy list and it'd be helpful to knock off yet another critter from the To-Do list (especially if it's something I'd never be able to turn for a long while). J'lo

The faenrae reaver is cursed and can't be manipulated. The old silverfish that ran along the streets used to be/still are the same way. The silverfish down in thugs can be manipulated. Geni's can be manipulated along with Adan'f and Scorps. If I remember correctly, the Nomad Zombies in Muspar'i cannot be manipulated.

The Fenrae Stalkers in US can't be manipulated.

I can't find your charts, so perhaps I've missed them in here? I know we have the hodepodge that goes under here, but maybe a sepearate folder for Manipulate and Innocence would be nice.

Xochi

I've tried to use manipulate a number of times, and never had any luck. I'm circle 24, over 100 ranks in Empathy, and was taught by an empath over circle 40. When she showed me, I could feel her directing my attention to what she was doing, and she said she saw me listening/learning it.

However, whenever I try "Manipulate friendship <critter>", I just get back "Please rephrase command" or something similar to that. (I'm not in the game right now.)

Anyone know what's up?

~Fnordia

Hey cutie...

Make sure that when the Empath taught you, that you got the message giving you the syntax for manipulate. Plus a bit of scroll, about 15 lines if I remember correctly.

When Tenderwolf taught me, she got the commands out of order, so it didn't actually teach me. But have fun! I've used it a total of about 5 times, but that's about to change once I start field training Elavin.


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Thanks everyone! Souv dragged me off to Goblins and showed me how. :)

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Souv>>

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