Out of curiosity, if gwethsmashing gets revised to gweth thumping (with the occasional gwethsmasher still lingering around), will the contest change to thump's current method, or kept the way that it is now, or a whole new contest all together?

My issue really is I just think gweths / smashers is a MM thing. A product of our use of psychic projection magics. Now apparently the GM's seem to think otherwise since its been talked about being opened to the general population for enchanting. I understand the reason why, so other guilds can make them since they are a pretty high demand item. However I don't think mental thumping should be opened to the general public and would rather just have the ability go away entirely than to have some barb mentally thump me, with no understanding whatsoever of telepathy. The use of a gwethsmasher is basically a stored mental assault, and i'm not understanding the process unless their is another item that needs to be created to use the ability. I don't know it just really clashes with me and goes against the lore to much for me to get on board with.

I just want to clarify that I don't sell smashers, nor have I ever even used one to smash somebody on my MM. I don't sell gweths either, so really its nothing to do with money or being greedy. Just the overall principle of it, and how the process works.

>Will someone be able to just powergrind to 181 and

If this person is exclusively 'powergrind'ing to level 181 to avoid thump and gweth thump, and they're able to do it in a timespan of less than a year, screw it. Let them do it.

Otherwise this is a goofy concern.

Can we change THUMP to a brawling combat maneuver.

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<<I also recommend keeping gwethsmashing available against people below 20th circle & F2P but only useable by Mentors and GMs. On the otherhand, I also recommend making people below 20th circle immune from gweth THUMP. The way it stands now ALL(that's right I'm not even adding a conditional to that, I mean ALL) the troublemakers are HLC's. >>


All it will do is make people roll up F2P trolls knowing they can't be smashed or gweth thumped. If gweth thump doesn't apply to chatter they can still get help there, so maybe that's the bright spot in this post is to bring up the point that those abilities shouldn't affect that.

I'm not going to get into a conflict with you as this isn't the place. I read what you wrote several times. Please point out which part of what you wrote applies to my response. If you think giving more work to the mentors and the GMs to police what would become the bigger share of the problem, I think that is a poor idea, they do enough work as it is.

Actually, I came up with a pretty good compromise. We should distinquish between those F2Ps who are truly new (and most likely would be impossible for them to get a gweth anyway). And those that are 'invested' F2Ps who spent RL dollars purchasing Simucoins. This will eliminate any potential 'throwaway account' syndrome issues and the trolling; at the same time, it would give protection for new players (who are serious about the game and are now paying customers) from the depraved antics of the 100+ circle of hell mess.

>>This arguement that "ZOMG?! F2Ps will troll the world!" has never come to fruition on any level including gweths.

You are quite wrong. I've seen F2P accounts used to troll in many different ways including on the gweth.

The majority of gwethsmashing isn't just HLCs being bullies to new players, and they don't just ignore other HLCs being a problem on the gweths either. I've never smashed anyone under 100th circle the many times that I have done it for example. A lot of the "bullies" get smashed plenty, too.

I think you are pretty far off base with your assessment of gwethsmashing and the suggestions you are making about it, and labeling everyone over 100th circle that uses a gwethsmasher a "bully" doesn't help your argument either.

>>Just calling it like I see it...

Judging by the recent threads you've started, and the posts you've made in them, it's pretty clear you're seeing very little of the bigger picture.


>>...especially since the argument in here seemed pretty one-sided from the get go. (not a whole lot of F2P new guys even know about these archaic forums).

I don't think this argument has ever been about F2P. It's been about how some people feel about gwethsmashing as a whole, and about making it less punishing for everyone. Nobody should have, or need, protection from gwethsmashing/thumping because if you act in a polite manner no one is going to do those things to you. Handing out blanket protection for F2P accounts just encourages trolling. Saying that F2P are targeted as prey by everyone over 100th circle with a gwethsmasher is just plain wrong.

>>Nobody should have, or need, protection from gwethsmashing/thumping because if you act in a polite manner no one is going to do those things to you.

This places a lot of confidence in the general playerbase that I feel they have not yet to earn and, instead, continually lost.

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Please, I invite you to re-read what I wrote. If anything I'm actually increasing punishment on F2P which would be the only class of account susceptible to gweth-smashing after it gets removed for gweth THUMP. Getting a gweth smashed for a newbie F2P is serious business, that's equivalent to 2 months of daily hunting a few hours a day in ship rats or gobs.

It's difficult for people to see arguments on both sides when one is so deeply into a particular side. I'm on constantly for these past couple of months due to an injury and I've not yet seen a F2P newb do anything on thought nets except ask questions (albeit some a bit silly). The others have been between HLCs (just messing around with each other) and newbies who've decided to make a decent attempt at RP but was given 1 star by a HLC critic.(and summarily gwethsmashed). Therefore, I'm a bit curious as to the alterior motives HLCs may have for leaving this form of potential harassment open against vulnerable F2P newbies who should be encouraged to interact with the playerbase.

If, however, the worry is a HLC will on a whim create a F2P account (and give said 'throw-away' character a gweth) to troll the thoughtnets without any worry of social repercussions, then that "newbie" character should be gwethsmashed into oblivion (as per my setup this would be possible by anyone EVEN AFTER gweth THUMP gets implemented and smashing gets removed). Note, when I say HLC I'm not talking about people with X circles per se (since many HLCs are apparently bought now-a-days) but rather HLPs ("high level players")who've played DR before some of us here were even alive. I've met quite a few who are on F2P accounts but who've been playing in and out under various names since the launch of the game.

>>I think it's actually okay for "high level players" or whatever euphemism we want to use to set the culture of the game.

It's arguably a bit counter-productive toward the stance that DR is trying to frame its culture toward RP, with the driving force being who did the most grinding.

Could probably make the argument that the people who are the most apt to guide the culture of the game are those with the most RPAs and/or GM RP score (if the latter is real and/or not the same as the former).

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>>I think it's actually okay for "high level players" or whatever euphemism we want to use to set the culture of the game.

>It's arguably a bit counter-productive toward the stance that DR is trying to frame its culture toward RP, with the driving force being who did the most grinding.

SUMMERSON defined "high level players" as those who have played the game for a long time, not necessarily those who are high in skill/circle. Since the same word choice was by Armifer in his post, I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly, he was referring to those folks. I think that defines most people who post here, including you, although I wish there were more DR newbie posters for that perspective.

I will say I prefer F2P Chatter to gweths, so I don't know if F2P players lose out too much if they're smashed. I've also seen a lot of people and Orders give away free gweths, so the noobs suffer worse argument doesn't sway my my opinion much.

Adventurers use an enchanted item to communicate telepathically. It makes sense you'd need to use another enchanted item to strike against telepathic communication. I would be sorry to see the gwethsmasher enchantment go.

Thump as it exists currently and the hypothetical Thump Gweth seem extraordinarily OOC to me. A non-damaging Thump Gweth command would be tolerable for gweth silencing without destroying charges, if the cooldown on use were longer than a gwethsmasher cooldown.

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I don't make gweths because I am annoyed that the only way to reliably get a gwethdesuan stone supply is to buy stolen goods from a museum. I've made less than 5 gwethsmashers.

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I'm not saying grind = RP, but I am saying that grind is a portion of the roleplaying. That your character actually does go out and slaughter Goblins and this is a thing that is happening in the narrative of the game. Likewise, the idea that some characters are stronger than others is a thing that is true and functions as part of the roleplaying environment.

The idea of using RPAs as a modifier for some activities intrigues me, but if I'm being honest with you I'm not sure how far that'd fly.

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>>DR-Armifer: The idea of using RPAs as a modifier for some activities intrigues me, but if I'm being honest with you I'm not sure how far that'd fly.

It sounds good on paper, but its validity as a measure of RP history is undermined by the fact that RPA/PIRP histories are not wiped when characters change hands. (I am sure there are PIRP characters being used as mules or plat farmers.)

As a mere aside, I think PIRP status should be reset when characters are transferred (or when the billing information changes to another player).

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It would also penalize people who couldn't or don't want to attend large mainstream events where RPAs happen (such as Necromancers). Not every good, solid roleplayer is rolling in RPAs. RPAs are a measure of who showed up, not who is a good roleplayer.

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>>It sounds good on paper, but its validity as a measure of RP history is undermined by the fact that RPA/PIRP histories are not wiped when characters change hands. (I am sure there are PIRP characters being used as mules or plat farmers.)

>>It would also penalize people who couldn't or don't want to attend large mainstream events where RPAs happen (such as Necromancers). Not every good, solid roleplayer is rolling in RPAs. RPAs are a measure of who showed up, not who is a good roleplayer.

Agreed that it's a flawed metric for both reasons, but it's still one I would trust more than circle.

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>>...let's assume for a moment we actually do move to a "gweth thump" model. What kind of silence period do you think is appropriate?<<

I think a good compromise would be to

1) Set gweths to listen only.
2) Permit albredine ring use.
3) Have short duration - like 10 minutes.




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