>>What about auction ones with unlimited uses?

Under this plan, all gwethsmashers would continue to function, there would simply be no more player-created ones entering the system. Gwethsmash auction items are still possible, albeit I am unsure how wise.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

>>...let's assume for a moment we actually do move to a "gweth thump" model. What kind of silence period do you think is appropriate?

Gweth shutdown comparable to thump and a smash cooldown comparable to thumping someone.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

Oh neat somebody got their feelings hurt so now we should probably change the game and stuff. Neat.

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I prefer to break gweths completely, thanks.

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> 1. Block broadcasting, but allow listening. You can still hear what's going on and all that, you just can't participate in the conversation anymore.

This. Yes, please. Please?

~Aislynn

My priority is not to screw up someone's equipment, it's to shut them up. Just like I get shut up, or Fahijeck get's shut up or Jessalyne or any number of us that can get under people's skin. But on the other hand as I said, I have a moonmage that makes and sells smashers and gweths. You take away the ability to break things you take away the ability to make more and sell. I'm not saying it's not a pain in the ass to have your stuff broke, especially when you're half way across the realms or in Zehira's case, you can't go shop for more gweths when time is up. So take the balance of taking an ability away fom a guild that, let's face it, doesn't have much in it's favor right now, to merely silencing the annoyance and you'll have moonmages in uproar that make gweths for smashed people and make and sell smashers as a way of earning coin. Just tossing that out.

> 1. Block broadcasting, but allow listening. You can still hear what's going on and all that, you just can't participate in the conversation anymore.

Big fan of this.

>>I also give out RPAs when people handle it decently and roleplay it out without flying off the handle and going even more OOC.

What a waste of RPA. I guess if you are into a little slap and tickle?

>>Yes, my first thought is just to outmode gwethsmashers entirely and make this a THUMP verb addition. Everyone gets it. No sense buying a rare enchanted item just to thump someone.

>>Talking more about it behind the scenes, what I'll probably do (not promising it's certain yet, but where I'm leaning towards) is shutting off new gwethsmasher production, but letting existing gwethsmashers remain gwethsmashers that will either get used up without replacement or start gathering dust in vaults.

Let's not get carried away here. While I think smashing and using gweth are both not important, and quite frankly its more enjoyable to not use them if you want immersion...I just don't see why Enchanting has to be affected. For my fellow moon mages making coin from selling them, its rather absurd to cast out one of the last remaining enchants people are seeking. It could even affect the sales of gweth.

This is just silly. I can't believe its going so far.

>>I mean, the complaining will never end, but that doesn't by itself mean that there isn't a nugget of concern there. That the anti-gwethsmashing crowd on the forums have yet to find a good example doesn't mean there isn't, or won't be, an example of abuse that we can cut off early.

I gave advice before I wish people would just take instead of complaining about being smashed. ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL! You aren't missing out on anything really. Just deal and get a new set and be more careful if you MUST use the gweth channel...



"An' I'm learnin' 'ere in London what the ten-year soldier tells; If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you won't never 'eed naught else. No! you won't 'eed nothin' else"

>>What it is, is a few people that are whining because they got gwethsmashed, let them whine, let them eat cake. I don't think that taking away gwethsmashers is going to be the answer. People would still whine if they got silenced in any way.

Wondering how many people are going to gloss over Armifer saying "everyone is going to get to gweth-thump, even without a magical device with limited charges."

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

> I just don't see why Enchanting has to be affected

I just want to point out that Enchanting will eventually be effected anyways. It as a moon mage only system is going away and I wonder how many people against this (who I note are moon mages) would care as soon as it is out of their wheelhouse.

The issue isn't nearly as much as "Booo hoo someone got their feelings hurt over a smash" but more about the idea of items and permanence. Remember that when gweth making was first started charges were pretty low compared to what many people can get now, so it isn't absurd to re-evaluate the system overall.

If there is any major takeaway I've seen about the necromancer guild and the evolution from the day it opened to right now, it is that people go insane when there is a chance for item loss. Necromancers were supposed to basically survive off what they could find but the uproar over the years has basically shown that people just can't accept that as a reality so the GMs had to re-evaluate it all and have given numerous tools to prevent that from occurring now. If a necromancer or anyone can bond a weapon, doesn't that cut into the profits that a weapon forger can make? I mean one gweth often sells for as much as a steel weapon and lasts almost infinitely longer. So who should be crying about profits?

I have to also point out the obvious truth of the matter. Even if people don't like Zehira, Fahijeck etc, the world needs villains too. Don't be surprised when you poke at one of said archetypes and get burned. You wouldn't reach into a hornets nest and act shocked when you get stung, you wouldn't act shocked if you kicked a wild bear in the behind when it turned around and mauled you. Just accept that we need duality in the realms to make sense of everything. For everyone who is new to game and doesn't think its fair, just remember that the game isn't designed to be fair. Its just like real life in that aspect.

I remember the days of Caelumia quite well terrorizing novices for blowing laughing boxes from louts. And even though I absolutely hated her when I was a novice, eventually I realized after she was gone, that she did in fact serve a purpose. Duality is the way we derive meaning. Don't make this change to smashers just for the fact it maintains balance. There are actually alot more do gooders in the realms, and its really lame to punish those who chose to be different. Its just a game.



"An' I'm learnin' 'ere in London what the ten-year soldier tells; If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you won't never 'eed naught else. No! you won't 'eed nothin' else"

<<Even if people don't like Zehira, Fahijeck etc, in spite of them the world needs well played villains too.

ftfy

<<Caelumia

Caelumia was invested in the lore and RP. The others you have listed are not.

Well said my dear. The world does need villains and while I never meant to be one, I just happened to be drawn that way. If you believe that then I have some swamp land to sell you in the desert. He is right, I am not sure why anyone is surprised. I don't hide who I am, I don't hide the way that Zehira maintains her behavior. She is fun, she is crazy, she is my outlet, just like others have their characters. So as Aerathor said, poke the bear prepare to be bitten.

>>But at the same time there are existing recipes that are very much part of one guild's wheelhouse and I'm not willing to open them up.

I don't think anyone in the guild thinks the new enchanting system will be bad thing. I'm sure most are anxious for it to come out. If it is possible to retain some enchants to be trademarked to the moon mage guild however, gweths and smashers should be on the list IMHO


"An' I'm learnin' 'ere in London what the ten-year soldier tells; If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you won't never 'eed naught else. No! you won't 'eed nothin' else"

I vote that if this is to happen, that MM now make gweth thumpers instead of smashers. I don't see why just anybody should be able to mentally thump somebody.

I am saddened by the lack of call to change THUMP to a brawling combat maneuver.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

<<Just because you don't like someone isn't reason to say what you think and assume like its a fact. Caelumia wasn't any different. She was all over the place with her motives and role played a racist.

Do you even read what you write?

>>Will the new THUMP GWETH option fall under the same PvP policy as the current thump, which does not lock you open? I think, given that you are no longer destroying someone's items, there is a good argument keeping it consistent with the current thump.

That's a touchy issue that I'm, for once, not willing to opine on until I have a 100% answer on.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

>>That's a touchy issue that I'm, for once, not willing to opine on until I have a 100% answer on.

Not a fan of changing the policy on smashing, personally.

I am less of a fan of it not disabling albredine rings. Whats to stop someone you "thumped" from just whining at you directly via ring? You would have little recourse beyond removing the ring. I think it needs to silence all avenues of thought projection, personally.

>>Is just a thought. Rip away. :)

I'll be honest, I'm pretty cold on Moon Mage Economics right now. We've opened up every other guild's niche to public consumption, the only reason I've been even the tiniest bit hesitant to do the same for enchanting is Lorez reasons. I do not possess a backdoor scheme to keep Moon Mages in a profitable niche, I am simply worried about where I'm drawing the lines on thematic issues.

The monopoly likely isn't going to survive anyways. Enjoy it while it's there, but prepare for terrible equality.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino