Alright first I'd like to ask on lunge. Lunge has the highest defensive cut it seems and also the longest rt (pretty much double) of any manauver. It also seems like it is nessesary for me to use it in pike combo's to gain much balance. So any chance you could lower the rt to maybe 4 or something? Even that I'm afraid of with how much I get hurt using it. And if anyone knows which defenses are best to use with lunge? Seems whether I'm on evasion, shield or parry I still get smacked.

For me with fighting Celpeze where I've been testing my various weapons. I can fight 3 fine with a shield or parry stance for hours with various weapons without taking much damage at all. Go one on one with a celpeze and try to lunge in a combo (where I'm gaining balance) with incredible balance and overwhelming it and it either kills me in one shot or hurts me really badly.

Some combo's I've been using with pike,

Combo 1 dodge\jab\sweep\thrust\feint
Combo 2 jab\sweep\thrust\lunge

So with the first combo I can not get hurt, maintain balance fairly well (in and out of incredible) and scuff things to death. The thrust is the only thing that really seems to do more than scuff actually.

With the second I get damage with thrust and good damage with lunge but get totally smacked around everytime.

This is testing with a heavy puncture spear, great puncture pike, and javelin with shield. Get min rt with em all.

So I'm wondering if something could be done about how pikes stand right now, if anyone else is having similar problems, or if by chance I'm missing something and one of you has an easy answer of how to use pikes now. Being my 3rd weapon I'd rather not give it up but it's exceedingly difficult for me to do even semi well with them now compared to previously or compared to any other weapon I train (Halberd, edges, blunts, thrown)

Beliel

Well retreating to pole for a lunge would seem in order. I use to like Pike. But since change and before it some I have not played with one. It use to be fun and effective.

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While I would like a reduction in rt for lunging, I think the bigger problem is that jab and thrust dont seem to do as much damage as they did before and the only way to really do any damage is to lunge and hope to stun your opponent. I think the pike combos need to be redone to give jab and thrust more power. Currently, thrusting has almost as much of an evasion penalty as lunge but without doing near the amount of damage as lunge. Something really needs to be done to bring pikes back to their former status.


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I agree on lowering the stones of the crossing pike. I picked one up a few days ago to just play with it, jabbed, and got a 19 second rt. I was like who would ever use one of those, so I went and bought a short hunting spear from arthe and got like 3 seconds.. and I can put the spear in my bags.. who would ever use a pike from crossings over one from arthe dale is beyond me.


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Well I have the pitchfork. It's not bad. Something like 40 stones isn't it? And HT.

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<<The golden Tassled hunting spear from Theren keep is one of the lightest and definitely cheapest heavy puncture pikes and HT going. It weighs considerably less then the pitchfork or the shard pikes. Short hunting spears are the best starter though for sure specially at 400 copper.>>

If you don't use a shield, yes its a good weapon.


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Hmm, so I guess the best (only) storebought option for heavy or greater puncture damage from pole range is the Crossing pike? At least the weight was reduced on that so it's not too ridiculous to use. Do any of the pikes with lesser puncture damage attack from pole?

How about merchant/forged? Is there anything out there better than the ox-tongue spear from To the Teeth (heavy puncture, pole ranged, well constructed, 55 stones)?

That also makes me wonder if in future updates Oolan is going to change the ox-tongue spear in Haven and the tzece in Leth to pike from halberd (like how he switched the khuj to halberd) since both have heavy puncture. The tzece has heavy slice as well so it may stay halberd, however. Anyone know if either of them are pole ranged or not?


~Thilan

>>for a paladin I'd say the crossing pike when they have the strength.(what is the new weight on the pike?)

This is for a paladin, so I might use the lance and then upgrade him to the pike when he has the effective strength to reasonably wield it. It went from 143 to 80 stones and is fair/fair.


~Thilan

I like the short hunting spears myself. Light, cheap, and easy to replace. But as for pike training I like to have something that can withstand at least one or two parries. The hunting spear doesnt stand up too well in that dept. after only a few parries they snap like matchsticks. I did use them alot when I was younger and my arms were scrawny, always made sure to carry two or three at a time.

As far as wanting a light spear that will stick around for awhile youd have to get those short metal ones from the merchants, but poo on those cause you cant throw them.

P.S. If any GMs are looking at this post, please make the swapable pike/QS spears from the merchants able to be thrown. I will send you all gift baskets with leftover holiday candy.

Depends on what you want from it.

The pike/halberds are good for training both.

Short spears (arthe) are good for HT and low rank pike training cause they're light, and small(ish).

The theren spears you have are good at higher ranks, due to better stats and more weight.

I like the boar spears, particularly the "balanced" ones, although most, if not all, come from Edword's tent, which shows up at various fests.


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What pike are you using? My Human Paladin with 20 strength/stamina and 15 agility (4/6 or 6/6 RT using a fair/fair 40 stone spear) doesn't get that fatigued because he generally recovers during the RT. Try using the short hunting spear from Arthe (20 stones) or the golden-tasseled spear from Theren Keep (40 stones).


~Thilan

Ahh, ok...well this answers quite a bit:
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Twelvetoes hefts the tarnished pike and puts it on the medium balance scale. He patiently adds small sacks of stones on the other side till the beam becomes exactly level.

Twelvetoes squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The pike weighs about one hundred forty-three stones," and puts the pike on the counter.

You pay Twelvetoes and take your pike off the counter.
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Off to get a lighter pike!!

I usually have zephyr running via rune, and courage up, so the fatigue comes back quickly, once it poofs.

Thanks for the info!

Id also echo the others comments, would do better to drop down to a lower weight until you hit the 100 mark in the weapon skill, after that its you choice weather to move up or not. Short hunting spears and javilins would be good for your skill range now, but remember their construction is not the best so dont get any ideas about parrying with it.


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<<one hundred forty-three stones

Wow that's a heavy pike. Where did you find that one by the way? Wasn't there a fix to extra heavy pikes a little while back?


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Javelins have the added bonus of being one-handed and can fit in a backpack, but yeah, my forged one is still getting damaged in wind hounds/reavers occasionally when I have to switch to parry, since they're not very sturdy weapons.

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