Greetings,

I am thinking about starting up a gnome character and would like him to use light edged and light blunt for his main weapon choices. I've never had a gnome and my LE and LB experiences are pretty limited.

Keeping the following in mind: I'd like to have a LE jabber. I'd like the weapon to be as low weight as possible while also giving me a viable option for killing things. I'm a gnome so my intent isn't to train much strength. If possible, I'd like thoughts on a starting setup(since my char won't have much money initially) and intermediate setup for when I get a plat or 3 saved up and a higher end setup for when I've got a bit more money to play around with.

Thanks in advance,

- no name yet, Gnome

Over in Plat, I did see a dagger from the trader shop on Ratha that appraises as fairly sturdy. Keep in mind that none of my chars are primarily LE users, though.

You might consider a Sun Blade from Knife Clan or a Leaf-Blade from Riverhaven too. Or someone might be able to locate a jambiya for you.


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He wants a jabber, and he's going to be low strength.

For jabbing or backstabbing get a stout short sword from dirge for a few silvers. For general melee get an ivory-hilted jambiya from a hunter in riverhaven. Or Ciressa often has free ones.

If you just want to carry one weapon, get the jambiya. It's a pretty good all purpose LE.

You are certain that the short sword is a little stronger than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword is a little more balanced than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword is a little less suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword does a little more puncture damage than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword does somewhat less slice damage than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword does about as much impact damage as the ivory-hilted jambiya.
You are certain that the short sword weighs a little more than the ivory-hilted jambiya.
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A heavy crossbow is a heavy crossbow type weapon.

LE is a viable main weapon choice, it is currently mine although I am training up other weapons to take it's place eventually. If you want a jabber, you may want to start out with a sun blade from Knife Clan or if you can get your hands on a forged short sword.

Other than that, some LE staples are a forged katar, forged short sword, jambiya, and I like the serrated dao from Muspar'i.

If you are low on funds or need any help locating any of these weapons, feel free to find me in game. I'm sure I have some spares hanging around.


- Terra

<<If not, it's one of the worst choices you could make...the only worse choices are sling, staff sling, and light blunt.>>

Hm...did I mention that light blunt was going to be my secondary weapon....

LE is my secondary weapon. I choose it for RP purposes for the most part as well. For a long while I used a forged katar. Its a decently damaging slicer.

For jabbers I've always used a tago. Can be a bit pricey from trader shop 20-25plat, but its light (5 stone I think) and doubles as an LT. Never have had to repair one.

Like many people have said, LE isn't the best min/max choice but I'll assume you probably know that and have already made a choice you might (dare I say it) enjoy playing out since you've chosen the Le folder already.

Hope you find something fun!

Jalika


Moving carefully, you slip your hand into Ragran's pockets and carefully grab a platinum.
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Light Blunt seems to also factor slightly into certain ambush maneuvers, for the Thief Guild.

>Sucking 24/7 isn't many people's idea of fun.
>Being effective is just more fun.

Some people like challenges. I trained TM with runes before it opened up recently and blew my arms off every 10 casts or so. I wasn't very effective. I also trained stealing and got arrested for hundreds of ranks before the stealing rewrite with no thief bonus. Oh no! It was fun to play out a quirky character!

Besides, LE doesn't suck 24/7. Its not sling. Its just not OP like basties either.

Jalika

Moving carefully, you slip your hand into Ragran's pockets and carefully grab a platinum.
Roundtime: 2 sec.

<<No... LE does suck 24/7...>>

Question for you then: Do multiple hits cause a detriment to balance on critters still?

Reason I ask is back when I played before '96-2002, my main weapon was HE, while my main hunting partner had an LE for his main weapon. Using good tactics we were consistantly able to hunt 10-20 circles above our actual circles(though I am sure other skills played a factor as well). However, one thing we would do was to overload the critter with hits from his LE, one right after another and begin to knock out its balance at which point I could come in with the heavy shots.

Would something like that work in today's DragonRealm? Meaning would it make LE more of a viable weapon choice if you had a partner or spells to pair it with?

Again I appreciate the discussion and advice.

- a Gnome

>>Guys, we're all missing the point! LE is a perfectly viable, perfectly functional weapon!<<

Keep telling yourself that if you must, but it still doesn't make it a true statement.


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You flat out, absolutely, 100% have no idea what you're talking about.

Solomon

LE is not a bad weapon choice if you're choosing it for RP reasons, like I have.

The problem is, LE is NOT practical for PvP combat or for most creatures who wear armor or have shields. I have enjoyed LE very much for regular hunting by typically going up the natural critter ladder.

But make no mistake, this is not a good weapon or even a mostly viable weapon for any kind of PvP, with the possible exception of being a thief. Otherwise, go for it.


- Terra

For what it's worth I believe Edgee, highest barb I in prime I know of, is LE prime. When the day comes that LE's more worthwhile with its speed, I'd watch out. New combat is on the horizen. (I just hope the world isn't flat and the horizen being a far ways away)

Jab/parry was the combo to get incredibly balanced, then it was slice slice slice until balance was lost and repeat.


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But yes, Edgee uses LE.

He may have hit 150th before Gavyn, but Gavyn is the biggest barbarian in Prime. Straight up. Luckily for everyone, Gavyn has been and always will be played by the same guy, who's awesome. And really nice and not looking for conflicts. He apparently is just happy trying to figure out the exact numbers to be a barbarian and hide on 4 elder armadillos at melee, I guess.


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>>Somewhere in this thread, the theme went from if LE is viable as a primary weapon to something along the lines of if LE is viable as a weapon. LE probably isn't the best choice for someone who doesn't backstab as a primary weapon compared to other weapons, yet LE is still a very viable choice as a weapon.<<

Well said Simon, and agreed. With nearly 600 ranks in LE, it IS a viable weapon. Is LE a viable PRIMARY weapon? I don't think so. As you said, there are other, better choices out there.


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You flat out, absolutely, 100% have no idea what you're talking about.

Solomon

It might of been mentioned in past posts but long ago before combat changes, a decent number of people would fight with two weapons (One in each hand). You would parry jab with the LE until balanced and then swap and do a slice with a heavier weapon. (Be it a blunt or edged). I did the same with a couple of characters I had back then.

I'm pretty sure the original owner of Edgee used the same tactics and could explain part of the reason why LE had continued to be trained. If you have a bunch of ranks of something some people would probably opt not to stop training it.

Anyways.. just thought it was an interesting thing to point out. No doubt a lot of older characters have LE ranks if they used this same tactic but probably didn't continue to train it after the combat maneuver changes.

<<but around the 30s you can get some decent roundtimes and excellent damage.>>

What would you consider as "decent roundtimes" when compared to other pole-ranged weapon templates in relation to their damage output potential?

- Simon

>> I know of no one (outside of backstabbers) who didn't hate it beyond 200ish ranks.<<

I have around 400 ranks of it and do not hate it. But I prefer form over function. Certainly the damage output by heavier weapons is much better, but I enjoy being LE/QS prime believe it or not.

>>Quarterstaff is useable, but halberd is a much better pole range weapon, no matter your stats.<<

Quoted for emphasis. Again, for me it's form over function. But I train halberd and QS regularly. I haven't messed around with pikes because they just don't seem very good.


- Terra

p.s. and a ranged.

My only melee is LE, and I do it purely for RP purposes but it doesn't do badly at all. My main weapons are really my ranged though (LX and LT).

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