What happens if I chain lightning in water? Is it super chain lighting, or has that synergy been lost?

>Chain Lighting was intentionally made available earlier in the Warrior Mage's career since AoE is such an essential part of the Warrior Mage identity.

Well. I know what I'm doing this weekend.

2 slots.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I'm guessing your spell stance was set at 130% potency and even though your warding skill was low it was high enough for you to cast with that edge. Since your utility skill is slightly lower than your warding it's probably not enough for potency 130 to overcome.

Ask a cleric to cast Sanctify Pattern (or Moon Mage prediction) on your utility skill and if you can cast HOW you'll know if utility is the culprit.

HOW moved from esoteric to advanced but I expect that's just a change of terms and is the same difficulty as before (except that it now requires 2 skills at 250).

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>>In regards to Paladin's Holy Warrior spell: was there an increase in difficulty in addition to now using both Warding and Utility?

No, though your skills look on the low side to use it before 3.2 too so being dragged down by your 197 utility is likely taking you just a little south of being able to cast it.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>So did something in this change affect critter magic as well? After the change I went back into Orc Bandits, and the warcats are chain calming me again. They haven't been able to calm me for a couple months now.

With the caps of single target spells being lower, they're casting at a higher % of max, increasing their power.

Samsaren

I suspect mana regen is going to take another bump down - but I am very much enjoying being able to actually fling spells with energetic abandon.

Samsaren

One of the things I noticed in Test was that room mana mattered a lot more regardless of Attunement ranks. In rooms without great mana (like, less than 15/21 or so), where I could have stood around casting while working in the lower range of my attunement bar, I would run myself out in fairly short order.

Mazrian

For whatever it's worth, from an M tert perspective, it's a huge buff. That M primary folks are noticing a dip in mana regen blows me away for the simple fact that I can't imagine casting being any better than it is right now on my tert, even with the still-present albeit a lot less significant difference in mana efficiency compared to primes around the same skill. That's not an argument for or against changing regen further; just an observation. I had no idea the difference between prime and tert was THAT huge before.

Granted, I rarely casted at more than ~10 mana before when training because it proved very inefficient on my tert, and my M primary character only had mid-300s magic so I don't have a feel for that perspective. With the same casting habits I had in 3.1, it's a big bump. Even training magics is easier.

>The fact that I've gone from being perfectly sustainable in lower mana rooms to running out of mana in much higher mana rooms blows me away.

Unless you frequently ran at the bottom of your pool, this really shouldn't be the case.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>Unless you frequently ran at the bottom of your pool, this really shouldn't be the case.

As I've stated I usually ran around 60-70% mana, I've recapped pom to 700, took out all my capped buffing that I do at the start, am using casts of 24-25 with chaos and either 30 mana harnessed through cambrinth or straight harnessed in two of the four spells I actively cast. Using FoU at 35 mana And running hyh at 30 mana.

Cyclics dropping/Out of mana in a brilliant mana room in 473 seconds.

All this plus the capped buffing of Benediction, Auspice, Glythtide's Gift, and Righteous Wrath that I did before when I was having no mana issues at all and above 50 percent magic makes me think contrary to the it shouldn't be the case, it is.

>>The fact that I've gone from being perfectly sustainable in lower mana rooms to running out of mana in much higher mana rooms blows me away.<<

>>Unless you frequently ran at the bottom of your pool, this really shouldn't be the case.<<

It's making room mana matter a lot more than it used to, even with relatively high skill.

In the 3.1 environment, in rooms with relatively less mana I'd run lower on my attunement bar and the regen would pick up and help me stabalize. Between that and being more conservative in my casting practices I could muddle through. But 3.2 doesn't have that variable regen buffer and the regen rate is low enough (as a Warmage) that conservative casting practices (harnessing in smaller chunks, basically) only extend the time until I gas out. The only way to avoid going to 0 is to spend time (how much depends on how bad the room is) standing around and not casting or harnessing.

3.2 hasn't been live long enough for me to get a great feel for it in a lot of situations. I did poke around some and try some things out.

For instance, I stood around in Drakes in a room reading 15/21 for me casting Chain Lightning (prepping at 20, harnessing 20 four times) to simulate some moderately intense casting with conservative mana management and ran myself dry in about 5 minutes (electrical conditions slightly against me).

I went to a room reading 12/21 (with conditions slightly favoring) and did the same exercise, and ran dry in just barely 4 minutes.

That's on a Warrior Mage with 1250 Attunement and being conservative with mana. I imagine it's worse for more early-game casters.

Now, maybe that's a problem or maybe not. IDK if it was your intention to make room mana matter more. To me it feels like the regen rate is a little low.




Mazrian

1500 attunement and seeing similar issues to Mazrian. Just wanted to echo that observation.

I don't know if that's because I have to pump more mana to train now or not though. I just know trying to lock magic drains me when it didn't before.

How does mana feel for lower level magic primes? What about terts and secondary.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>How does mana feel for lower level magic primes? What about terts and secondary.

Not sure this is helpful, but with around 370 Attunement I find myself running out of mana in 11/21 mana rooms, doing things that originally did not cause me to run out of mana. As an example, previously I could reach 34/34 mind states when casting Ignite with cambrinth (prepping min and doing two camb charges at 20 each). This now gets me to about 20/34 before I'm out.

I assumed this was intentional but if not, there ya go.

My moon mage with around 250 or so in Attunement skill, with Aura Sight, and Shadowling, with three moons up, 1 full and 2 gibbous, deep attunement and efficient harnessing, has very little trouble with mana management, either in buffing or combat, at the moment. He can use TKS (his highest combat attunement sink) repeatedly if he waits for full prep, but I haven't pushed how much mana he can use in that way, today.

>>It also appears that mana levels in the room have no impact on attunement recovery, which feels like a bug.

Mana level in the room has never impacted recovery, it just impacts the rate at which you spend mana.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

Oh, one more thing. Those numbers are a character with all of the mana feats. Deep Attunement, Raw Channeling, Efficient Channeling, Efficient Harnessing.

>>Can someone please give a rationale for why Clerics were nerfed by removal of RoB and the ability to buff groups?

This was the product of one of the discussions that was going on around the time we started working on Magic 3.2 (Which isn't fully implemented into 3.2 since it's a chance that can stand on it's own and would have increased 3.2's scope even further).

The gist is that we've been very inconsistent with how buffing others works. Some spells can castable on others, some aren't. Some are area castable, some work on special snowflake mechanics. And we've got a bunch of feats related to group casting that... don't really work well.

So we set up some guidelines and converted the low hanging fruit as we worked on 3.2 - this is why RoB was removed and Mass Rejuv was split out.


The general plan when all is said and done is as follows:

Feats: Group Supporter and Team Player are going to quietly die in their sleep.

Augmentation: By default all Augmentation spells should be castable on others unless there is a compelling reason to prevent this (Unique class mechanics, cyclic spells, etc).

Utility: Utility spells are hard to generalize. When possible they should be castable on others, but this is frequently not possible/relevant. Otherwise they should follow the same guidelines as Augmentation.

Warding: By default Warding Spells should not be castable on others. This is particularly important post Barrier Review. Allowing Barrier spells to be cast on others should cost a spell slot.

Specific buff spells will bet set up for area casting (Kind of like how Courage works for Paladins now) but these will mostly be the domain of Bards and, to a lesser degree, Paladins.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things