Right now I actually work appraisal best in combat.

Appraise <critter>, parry, jab, appraise armor, parry, appraise second critter.

The more information you see, the more you learn...hence weapons and armor being good for appraisal.

Godrich made some(fairly) recent changes to Appraisal timers...might want to peak at the GM Announcements topic in the Trader category.

-Chris

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Also gem pouches and bundles seem to work it pretty good.

Brabs



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What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine, what's not bolted down is mine, if it can be pried up it isn't bolted down.

Also if the pouches and bundles don't work, fill up the pouch, and appraise a few of the nicer gems as well as the pouch. I am lore tert, but locking it in 2 or 3 appraisals at about 120 appraisal.

Brabs



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What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine, what's not bolted down is mine, if it can be pried up it isn't bolted down.

'lo there.

I find that appraising critters in combat works best (cycle through three critters in the room, if you can handle four on you for the time it takes to kill the fourth), followed by lots weapons (I carry at least one of each class...Odd, I know). I can turn my mind to goo with the former, and JUST lock appraisal with the latter (iffy on the rank after a wall). In both cases I use appraise quick. I expect the weapons will stop teaching in a little, as I'm getting closer to getting certains on them with appraise quick. Lore primary, expert-level appraisal. Good luck!

Thank you for the grea advise, all of you. I've been doing alot better. I'm looking forward to having a full gem pouch to appraise! Probably have to wait until I can hunt in Ratha for that though. <Drools> Mmmmm.....sand sprites.

Make sure you wait about 8 (might be a second or two less) seconds after the RT from the last appraisal goes away. Otherwise you don't seem to get the full exp (If any) from some timer or something.

Zyrix S'thorn

50 ranks to see the stats.


-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia

Yeah, Brabs is right...with 50 ranks appraisal I could get certains on all my bows and arrows because of my bow skill. I could barely make a guess at my scimitar, however(I wish I had a fair/great/fair scimitar for under a gold kronar).

Also, it seems that armor is harder to appraise. With 49 ranks I would see the stats on my scimitar and my bows every once in a while, but never on my armor. At 50 ranks I could see the stats on all my weapons and armor every time.


-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia

Funny thing is, Teeklin, that I find just the opposite: armor is much easier for my Rangerly body to appraise. With 90-ish in appraisal, 125 in LC, and 135 in leather, he can get certains on leather, LC, and chain accessories every time (with appraise careful). Yet with 150-something in his weapon, he doesn't ever get certains (also using careful). World's a funny place, and I'm not making it any less so...Ack! 12:34 am on Wednesday...Hm...A pun...Change that last sentence to "World's a punny place, and I'm not making it any less so!"

70 appraisal and 100 longbow...I've been getting certains ever since on all longbows/arrows.

Other two bows aren't good enough to add the extra ranks.


-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia

Well you do get a bonus on appraising bows though. So that rule on appraisal isn't going to work their.

Brabs


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Reply To Old Appraisal Post (From April)

I believe, but have not checked, that when someone (player) is attacking you, an appraise on them yeilds same as creatures. Can't Recall.

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No. That was changed awhile back. You used to be able to see different currencies at a certain level of appraisal, but it was changed to be a trader-only perk.


~stabbity,whiff,thud~

as a side note when do you start getting weight measurments, and when you you get accurate apps of weight?

I still want to see appraisal changed so that we appraise in our "home" currency, or at least have the option to, when one is a citizen. When I went overseas in the Navy, if I tried to judge what something was worth, I didn't judge it in the local currency, I judged it in dollars then just did the mental conversion of what that meant in local money (or vice versa, to see how their price compared to my expectations).

I'm Therengian, I should be appraising in lirums even while I am down in Shard, not in dokoras then having to convert back to the coin I know, why do I suddenly appraise differently just because I crossed a border?

If they wanted it to be for more than just citizens, then I would say your default is the coin of the area you left jadewater in ... kronars for Crossing, lirums for Riverhaven, dokoras for Shard if the plan is to one day add that as a starting point (just guessing on that last, would make sense). Becoming a citizen you would be given the choice to switch to the "other" currency at the time you join.

~~~Krin

I second that idea, like it. Any with appraisal

Catullus soon to be War Hawk and appraisal freak.

excellent idea...but...i would hope they would hold off on something like that until the career system comes into play,that way only a properly trained tanner would be able to tell if it were good for using for tanning or bad

and since i do know there are some who are not Rangers who would like to choose the tanner career,id also think a tanner would be able to tell if the skin were arranged or not

aain,just my opinion,but as a tanner i love the idea


Izzit
Master Tanner in Training

>I would like something similar done with apprasing fish caught to tell if they are above or below average weight.

That's actually a very good idea. As they said, we probably can't tell exact weight of things without a LOT of skill/practice, but even the most unskilled fisherman, once he's seen that particular type of fish a few times, should be able to tell if it's smaller or larger than average.

~Coine

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Within the last few months it became clear that hinderance was expanded to have multiple facets. You might be "unhindered" in your armor normally, but find yourself more notably hindered when it comes to stealth, climbing, swimming, box-popping and who knows what other activities in the future. That's fine, makes sense (you move in different ways with the different activities) and I can deal with that.

But it also means the general-purpose hinderance we see when we appraise is useful only for basic combat and with no idea what our hinderance is for other activities. Any chance this could be looked at? Would give more usefullness to the appraisal verb/skill and could also offer an opportunity for higher-level appraisal.

Just as you need 50 ranks before you start seeing "full" messaging for appraisal, these other hinderance attributes could have a higher threshhold (100? 150?), a higher difficulty to achieve certain results and teach to a higher degree. Also, just as with how appraising different things take in skills other than just appraisal, so would this. Appraising armor in and of itself requires armor and appraisal skill. These extra messages would require ... in addition to that ... skill in the areas being assessed. So the difficulty of assessing how hindering the armor would be for swimming would tie in swimming as well as armor and appraisal. Same goes for climbing, hiding, stalking, disarm and lockpicking.

Could also make this a Guild perk. Traders (being the merchandise experts) and Paladins (being the armor afficionados) would get all of the messaging. Thieves would get the messaging for lockpick/disarm and stealth. Rangers would get the messaging for swimming, climbing and stealth. Barbarians, being second only to Rangers for wilderness survival and heavy leather users themselves, would get the messaging for things such as climbing swimming and perhaps stealth as well. Tying this to Guilds would not neccessary, but could add special uniqueness to it.

For those who shudder at the thought of more scroll when appraising an item, I offer another idea: message flags. Add a subset to the appraisal verb that allows us to set flags (similar to our harness messaging) that set what portions of appraisal messaging we do or do not receive. So those portions of the appraisal messaging you are just not concerned about could be turned off. Of course, as long as there is some common (yet unique, compared to the rest of the game) factor to the messaging, regardless of result, and each factor is on a separate line, the same could probably be accomplished with squelches.

Possible? Or is this something more along the lines of what is planned for ANALYZE?

~~~Krin
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

>>Krinahd

That's a good idea; I hadn't even thought of that.


Xelten Tyrsin

Jent says, "You should train leather."