Please ask any questions you need; however, I will not be available to answer questions until 6 pm tonight.

~Vanah

The cost is $29.99 for each excursion. The event offers access to merchant services in an intimate setting, and the epic deepening isn't a service that has ever been offered outside of a box office event.

~Vanah

>>• making a container hold 10% more up to the following limits: backworn and cloakworn items up to incredible; shoulder-slung items up to particularly large; belt, beltworn, headworn, leg-worn, chest-worn, or over-the-front items up to fairly large; and any other container up to slightly small; however, items this last category will not be able to hold individual items that are larger than 2 pounds each. Pinworn containers are not eligible for the deepening service.


10% deepening is epic now??!?!?

Honestly the offered services sound like GALD as presented in the initial post (I have asked several people all who thought so as well), which has been offered for free quite often both in and out of box office events.

>>10% deepening is epic now??!?!?

You can go beyond the normal maxes at this event, is what Vanah was trying to explain. But the service will only be 10% bigger (that is our standard number when we deepen something). So take your 140lb cloaks.

>>Honestly the offered services sound like GALD as presented in the initial post (I have asked several people all who thought so as well), which has been offered for free quite often both in and out of box office events.

Yes, the Albatross did and will still offer services on it for free. We needed to use a contained area for this event, and we chose the Albatross. It's something I spent a lot of time on working over the years. So it has a lot of features that GMs like to reuse.

A GALD only service has been requested dozens of times over the years, we're trying to fulfill that request with this. We are doing small ticket batches to offer this. You can get up to 3 services if you make yourself available for the time slot (1pm to 5pm EDT).

>>Is Plat getting any times? Or should we request a time?

No, Platinum is not getting this event. If there is a demand for it, we can offer it, but we generally can't even offer 1 alteration over there to the masses on a regular basis. But if the deepening aspect is something that might be wanted, we can see what we can do.

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but I mean... 30 dollars? It's not that I don't appreciate the work, and it's not that I don't see this as a good idea. I just question why $30 is the price point set.

The over the current limit is a great touch if you already have a max deep item, but virtually useless if you don't have one. Fair enough if that's who you're targeting. But for $30, maybe it'd be worth it to sell some off the shelf max deep cloaks you can further deepened with the service?

>Perhaps that should be explained in the initial post instead of using the vague capacity limit terms that just recently were expanded and have not been documented anywhere on the officials or the unofficials that I have seen. Maybe people have talked about it over LichNet? Are you now promoting 3rd party software use?

They were just explained via a big ol' Announcement on the main webpage and in several subsequent folders on these here forums:

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/GemStone%20IV%20Announcements/Important%20Announcements/view/1877
http://forums.play.net/forums/19/213/2292/view/1206


Sounds neat! I like the idea of some copious GALD and some bonus above-normal deepens.

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10% down to the containers limit.... I'm not seeing how this helps if your items are already max deep/light.

You are sticking to the rules on one hand, yet trying to imply that you might get more on the other.

One of the hands looks like its gonna slap us, any way you approach it.

>10% down to the containers limit.... I'm not seeing how this helps if your items are already max deep/light.

I'm just guessing here, but let's say you have a container that's max lightened and weighs 4 lbs -- I assume that means that you could get it further lightened beyond its normal "lightest" limit, so a smidge closer to 3 lbs?

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Oh, whoops... so that's just a fancy way of saying a normal "lighten"?

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There are players that like to research this stuff. (and already are)

I honestly don't see anything egregious in them a) creating more tiers, so we can more accurately pinpoint information on our own and b) letting us figure out the exact numbers from there.

Rishi
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>I honestly don't see anything egregious in them a) creating more tiers, so we can more accurately pinpoint information on our own and b) letting us figure out the exact numbers from there.

I'm not saying that part was bad. At CCF they posted epic deepening with exact numbers for the maxes. Yet here all we get are vague terms (albeit, less vague than they were prior to the new terms). This causes confusion that these are just standard GALDs.

>Is it possible to get an item worked on more than once, with the same service, on a run? That would certainly add some depth to the appeal of the deepening service.

Absolutely! If you want to use all three of your services on deepening the same item, you are welcome to. It might be more bang for your buck to deepen three items that are maxed out via normal standards already, but as always what you have worked on is up to you.

~Vanah

I will not be buying a ticket. I've bought tickets to most other events and enjoyed them. This one just does not seem worth the money and time. I appreciate that you guys are trying out new event ideas but I am passing on this one.

What would make this event more appealing to me at the current price point would be more and varied services, less of a duration, and less people per run.

Chad, player of a few

Pardon my ignorance, but what does GALD mean?

~ Bill, Coyote.

I'm not sure who coined the acronym, but it started springing up a few years ago, and I think we just accepted it.

I also think some of you might be getting the wrong idea of the event. So let me explain just a little more.

The Albatross itself is a free event. The Albatross isn't going anywhere in that regard. We are simply using the theme of the Albatross and its grounds for this venue. Building a new area tends to be a lot of work.

The Albatross was a Platinum creation, that GM Xynwen largely revamped some years ago. In 2010, GM Kaikala asked if I'd like to take over the Albatross, I enjoyed gambling, and I was trained to run Dragonbones, so it seemed like a good fit. In 2012, I decided to revamp the grounds to be a little more player friendly, and offer more automated gambling games, as well as more flavor with the NPCs on board. There were also several storylines that took place, eventually landing (pun) the Albatross in GM Kenstrom's hands.

During the last handful of events, players stated they wouldn't mind an event that JUST did GALD services, because it seemed like we don't offer it as much at places like RtCF, CCF, and even EG. Some players tend to have bad luck at winning, so we decided to limit the tickets and offer a service limit, so we can make sure each ticket goer can get the same number of services. That way it's not lopsided, and everyone is getting the same value. We are dedicating a block of time to doing these services, so we can guarantee our numbers.

The price point is what we determined we'd sell an alteration for if we offered it in the SimuCoin store. Because we can't offer something like that in an automated sense, this is our answer to that. Because a GM would have to manually handle that. We didn't want to do it as an alteration scroll because a large influx of alteration scrolls would not be fair to our Premium subscribers being bogged down if a lot of these sold. So this is the only way we can offer it.

And finally, the term epic deepening only meant a deepening service that can go beyond the normal limits. We've offered this service a couple times now, both with very extreme numbers. Those were at the price point of RtCF and CCF. When we deepen something, we tend to increase the capacity about 10% until it hits its max, which is in proportion to its base weight. That's why we have some players that know you need to deepen X amount of times before you should start lightening it. Sorry if the term epic deepening is a little confusing to what it really means. GM Vanah gave us more tools so you can know exactly where your containers are now, instead of wildly guessing. To help you out, here are the numbers you can max out at with this event.

160lbs - Back, cloak, and some shoulder containers.
70lbs - Hanging off the belt and some shoulder containers
50lbs - Over-the-front, and various other smaller containers
16lbs - Tiny containers like thigh sheaths, ankle sheaths and waist worn stuff.

We aren't automatically deepening things to the max, so we highly recommend you bring already max deepened containers to this event, so we can go beyond the normal limits.

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Heheh! Props!

Doug

>>This time frame is kind of big, if someone would miss say...the first two hours of the event would they still have access to all three services?

The event being 4 hours long, as long as you get there before the time limit is up, you should be fine.

>>also, is someone running Dragonbones during this thing?

No. There will be nothing more gained than 3 GALD services. No script unlocking. There are some automated games you can enjoy once you're done with your services. There is some limited shopping available, but no new inventory from a normal Albatross visit. And there are stock tattoos to be had.

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<<No, Platinum is not getting this event. If there is a demand for it, we can offer it, but we generally can't even offer 1 alteration over there to the masses on a regular basis. But if the deepening aspect is something that might be wanted, we can see what we can do.>> -- Wyrom

I know you guys do a decent amount of GALD events in platinum, but speaking from personal experience.. I always miss them due to my typical play time (1am EST - 4am EST. Yeah.. Alaska sucks for attending events most of the time). If this was offered at a time I could attend, I would totally jump on a run or two, although a discount because of already paying more for platinum would certainly be appreciated. As it stands now, I easily have a dozen items that I'm looking to get altered and from my personal perspective, the last handful of events haven't really seemed to offer much GALD services (DMC obviously, but even RTCF and CCF3 I didn't see GALD offered much, if at all). I'm holding out hope for EG, but something like this in the meantime would be appreciated. While it would be great to have merchants offering GALD work during my normal play time, I understand why a merchant isn't popping up when there are 1-3 people logged in. So.. don't really consider this a gripe, just a raised hand saying, "Hey, I would totally do this".

Glurph

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You try to stuff your razern morning star in your ear.

Not sure if I'd attend one of these unless I wanted to change the look of one of my more played characters but a good service to have offered still. For a cost comparison I think alter scrolls sell for roughly 2m apiece, at current silver ratio that is a cost of 16-18 dollars for a single service.

A thought came to mind about the deepening, wouldn't it take 2 of your services to max deepen a 140 pound container at this event? 140 is a common current max..add 10% more and you'd be at a capacity of 154. I think that would bug me a decent amount since I really wouldn't want to use a second service for 6 pounds but I also wouldn't want to stop at 154 especially if the new inspect adjective would stay the same at old and new capacity. Sure I would KNOW it holds more than it used to.

Lochiven

I get not being interested in going(Im not) but I dont understand why people are upset(not directed at anyone). Wyrom said they used the albatross for it just so they didnt use up time making the fairgrounds for the event, no time was spent making special items, even the shopping hasnt been refreshed. Its basically for people who want 3 GALD for 27 dollars. If thats not worth it, its not going on your permanent record, theres no penalty not to go. I appreciate that they're being upfront about exactly what to expect, if it was billed as a GALDapalooza, id have signed up all excitedly and then would have wanted to riot after getting 3. The only real concern I have is if the limit is being tested as a possible future thing, if EG has a 5(some arbitrary number I made up) service limit, ill be ready to sharpen my pitchfork. Until then tho, this is what it is and some people are interested.

Well said.