>You feel the dark power of the black voidling pulling at you.
CS: +416 - TD: +342 + CvA: +11 + d100: +89 - +40 == +134
Warding failed!
You feel dizzy for a moment as your mana is siphoned off!

A blood-soaked black voidling shoots a shaft of pure darkness at you!
CS: +416 - TD: +342 + CvA: +11 + d100: +43 - +40 == +88
Warded off!
>A small dusky six-clawed imp murmurs quietly to itself.
>A small dusky six-clawed imp murmurs quietly to itself.
>>>A small dusky six-clawed imp swings a wickedly curved palache at you!
AS: +137 vs DS: +534 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +83 = -284
A clean miss.
>A small dusky six-clawed imp murmurs quietly to itself.
>A small dusky six-clawed imp murmurs quietly to itself.
>A small dusky six-clawed imp points a furry finger at you!
A small dusky six-clawed imp hurls a stream of water at you!
You deflect the bolt with your runestaff!
>sw

>You feel the dark power of the black voidling pulling at you.
The dull golden nimbus surrounding you flares into life as it glows brightly for a moment.
CS: +416 - TD: +342 + CvA: +11 + d100: +77 - +40 == +122
Warding failed!
You feel dizzy for a moment as your mana is siphoned off!

A blood-soaked black voidling shoots a shaft of pure darkness at you!
CS: +416 - TD: +342 + CvA: +11 + d100: +72 - +40 == +117
Warding failed!
You feel an icy pain shoot through your body for 10 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
A gallant effort to elude the blast, but you got hit in the hip!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
!S>!S>A small dusky six-clawed imp points a furry finger at you!
A small dusky six-clawed imp hurls a freezing ball of pure cold at you!
You deflect the bolt with your runestaff!
!S>A small dusky six-clawed imp points a furry finger at you!
A small dusky six-clawed imp hurls a powerful lightning bolt at you!
You deflect the bolt with your runestaff!
!S>A small dusky six-clawed imp scurries in!
!S>A small dusky six-clawed imp murmurs quietly to itself.
!S>A small dusky six-clawed imp points a furry finger at you!
A small dusky six-clawed imp hurls a roaring ball of fire at you!
AS: +722 vs DS: +478 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +30 = +344
... and hits for 128 points of damage!
Flames cook your chest. Feels about medium well.
The wall of force disappears from around you.
The dim aura fades from around you.
You lose your extra internal fortitude.
You notice your blood flow go back to normal.
The light blue glow leaves you.
Your senses are no longer as sharp.
A dark shadow seems to detach itself from your body, swiftly dissipating into the air.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves you.
The air calms down around you.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
You feel less confident than before.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
The white light leaves you.
The very powerful look leaves you.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around you.
The deep blue glow leaves you.
The powerful look leaves you.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...


~daid (player of Kaldonis)

PS: What's a voidling, besides of course a can of whop-ass?

>PS: What's a voidling, besides of course a can of whop-ass?

I don't know, but I want one!

It's called 750 - Major Demon Summoning, and it's been discussed by us sorcerers for (literally) decades. In the current dev climate, I'd say it's highly unlikely we'll see it. It would also be really out of character with the design biases toward sorcerer's in the last 10 years, which seems to be terrified of giving us anything really buff despite lavishing grossly overpowered spells (e.g. 1106) on other classes.

Player of Kilshaar

They nerfed 1106 a few months ago.

>It's called 750 - Major Demon Summoning

I am aware of the basic history of this proposed spell. Maybe what I've posted is called "Major Summoning" although I am doubtful. Let me emphasize firstly that I posted primarily with a sense of irony and amusement and only a hint of complaint. However, as I reply to this comment, I must delve into the aspect which did bother me fundamentally, and I believe to have been a poorly considered design choice for this invasion (although this somewhat remains to be seen).

Minor Demons are part of the Lesser Demons, but Lesser Demons are not limited to Minor Demons. I'm actually not very clear what Major Demons are, beside something extremely powerful. In any case, semantically I'm confused if "Minor" Summoning means "Minor (Demon) Summoning" or "Minor (version of Demonic) Summoning." The implication to me is that "Major Summoning" is "Major (Demon) Summoning" and not like "Major(ly cool demonic) Summoning." Either way, the title of my post was certainly meant to point out how we can already summon minor demons, and imps are minor demons, so there's no reason at all we cannot already summon these imps with 725. Of course, I'm still not clear precisely what a "voidling" is (although there was speculation here), but it certainly sounds like a minor demon, and the idea of a Shien is credible. These minor demons are more powerful than the only known Lesser Demon which is not a Minor Demon (abyran'ra), at least offensively. Indeed, a bolt AS like that is definitely more powerful than most found in the Elanthian plane!

Even in the case that "Major Summoning" somehow does not make any reference at all to the demons actually summoned, what would be major about it? If we can summon and control minor demons such as imps, it should make absolutely no difference at all what we ask the imps to do. Indeed, I would actually imagine that some minor demons would more happily act violently due to their poor mood after being summoned than carrying an eyeball or guarding my pockets.

Naturally, my intuition is that having the existing 725 allow us to summon and control minor demons such as the ones which savagely owned me would be severely unbalanced and out of all proportion. I am also not at all bothered by getting so swiftly murdered during an invasion. What bothers me is the sheer raw physical power exhibited by minor demons itself. Now, perhaps these minor demons had their attack prowess enhanced by some external force, but this sounds somewhat like a catch-all excuse.

It felt a lot more like, "We want powerful demons for our invasion, but they've not been designed or named yet, so we'll just take existing demons and buff them beyond all reason." Even if there are a lot of loose ends to work out specifically on the spell Major Summoning, it would be nice if there were more lesser demons than abyran'ra. After all, I find it perplexing that failures of Planar Shift consistently summon not just an entity from the same plane, but the exact same species. If this is anything other than a failure of game design to flesh out demonic planes, then Planar Shift should literally itself have the capacity to unlock intentionally summoning abyran'ra (even if they couldn't be controlled -- which would make a certain amount of sense if they are being summoned by Planar Shift which might not include the right rituals to control demons).

Also, as I suspect Major Demons will rarely, if ever, be brought into Elanthia, maybe the "slated" 750 spell should be tentatively called Lesser Summoning.

This issue should not be considered as a serious criticism to the overall storyline presently underway. However, I feel it is a valid criticism of what I consider to be an oversight in consideration of the existing demonic hierarchy and spells.

~daid (player of Kaldonis)

In GS, major > lesser > minor. Spell 725 is limited to minor demons. We cannot summon lesser demons, except by accident (abyran'ra) with spell 740, usually at the cost of the Sorcerer's life. So far as I know, all demons we've previously seen in invasions, fearsome though they were, were lesser demons.

See http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Demon

I guess I'm writing too much text and no one is reading it.

>In GS, major > lesser > minor. Spell 725 is limited to minor demons. We cannot summon lesser demons, except by accident (abyran'ra) with spell 740, usually at the cost of the Sorcerer's life. So far as I know, all demons we've previously seen in invasions, fearsome though they were, were lesser demons.

>See http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Demon

Unfortunately you are simplifying this, and the KP article linked is inaccurate (until I'm about to edit it). See http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Minor_demon

The equation should say "major > lesser >= minor" because minor demons ARE lesser demons. (Sorry, I made one post confusing even myself, because this naming scheme is quite quaint.)

Anyway, this is kind of straying from my point, so I'll summarize it.

Quoting http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Imp

"The imp is a demon archetype which originates from the Grik'tyr valence. It is not known to have any subtypes. It is classified as a minor demon"

Title of thread: "I want minor demons...like that"

Part of my original log:
>A small dusky six-clawed imp hurls a roaring ball of fire at you!
>AS: +722 vs DS: +478 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +30 = +344

See the contradiction here? Player summoned minor demon are fiddle sticks. But here we have GM made minor demons running around with bolt ASes higher than most capped players with enhancives. My interest to post is largely a tongue-in-cheek joke, but seriously, these creatures should definitely not have been minor demons in my opinion.

~daid (player of Kaldonis)

<<<See the contradiction here? Player summoned minor demon are fiddle sticks. But here we have GM made minor demons running around with bolt ASes higher than most capped players with enhancives. My interest to post is largely a tongue-in-cheek joke, but seriously, these creatures should definitely not have been minor demons in my opinion.>>>

From this, all we really know is that some imps appear to be lesser demons. Most, as we know, are minor demons. It doesn't necessarily stand to reason that minor demons are therefore a subcategory of lesser demons. They are still separate categories, in spite of the fact that some imps are one, and some the other.

That said, the "six-clawed imps" recently encountered do not appear consistent with the known lore and research found in the Enchiridion Valentia. There are two possible angles to this. One, the GMs who used them simply weren't aware of the complex intricacies of the Grik'Tyr valence, and thus created demons inconsistent with known lore. Or, two, the GMs have introduced something completely new and previously unknown, that may change the way we understand the valences.

I don't believe it was a mistake. I think we're seeing something that perhaps hasn't been seen since the days of Despana. It may change our understanding of demons. After all, as comprehensive as the Enchiridion may appear, there's nothing to prove it is without fault or error. The observations of the authors was incomplete, and the planes are much, much more expansive than a few pages in a book could possibly encapsulate. Although the researchers' findings on imps (as one example) may have given us great insight into the Grik'tyr valence, it is now evident there is much more to these creatures than we first thought. Clearly our limited power and understanding allows us only to summon and control the minor versions of these beings, and that is probably for the best. Perhaps one day, as a result of our recent experiences, we might learn how to control the lesser versions, as well. I think the appearance of these formidable new foes is cause for considerable hope, in spite of their immediate threat.

~ Heathyr and friends

>Third option: not every imp is a demon?

Let's just delete all game lore articles then, if we're going to casually ignore it whenever we want.

Player of Kilshaar

<<<Third option: not every imp is a demon?>>>

Perhaps an illusion?