Below is a list of my current training skills, some of these I don't ever remember even training in. I am from the old days of Gemstone 3 so my character may need a make over. I went out and tried killing some mobs that were almost 10 levels lower then me and got 1 shotted. I may also need to redo stats not sure. My DS seems to be lacking quite a bit I think but it could just be the new way the game is set up. My current DS self buffed is only 240 and CS is 309. the stone trolls I tried are swinging for well over 300 AS and 1 shot me. Any advice would be welcome. Feel free to look me up In game as well im on quite a bit (character name Daammus)



Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 54 11
Shield Use.........................| 105 25
Edged Weapons......................| 151 51
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 86 19
Magic Item Use.....................| 45 9
Spell Aiming.......................| 54 11
Harness Power......................| 163 63
Elemental Mana Control.............| 122 31
Spirit Mana Control................| 111 27
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 122 31
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 122 31
Survival...........................| 45 9
Disarming Traps....................| 78 17
Stalking and Hiding................| 50 10
Perception.........................| 124 32
Climbing...........................| 93 21
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 45 9

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 55

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 48

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 62
Training Points: 6 Phy 0 Mnt (1430 Phy converted to Mnt)

I'd suggest you find out what you want your character to be good at and then get the skills to match. You also can't be good at everything so you'll have to figure out what skills you want to cut back or leave out to make room for those that you want more. Do a lot of reading, these forums, player's corner, krakiipedia.org, and gsguide.net have a lot of good information and cover just about anything you'd want to know. If you have more specific questions or need help finding information there are quite a few of us who are very willing to help out.

You'd definitely want to change your stats. If you have the option to change them now I'd say to do it, but if not I'd suggest you hold off until you can earn a fixstat potion through the adventure guild by doing bounties.

Regarding skills and spells, VANKRASN39's advice seems sound to me. Adding to that, here are some suggestions for making a very basic, yet powerful sorcerer. This is a generic starting point. Nothing fancy here, no sunroof or accessories. My advice would be to start here. Then, if you have points left, decide where you might like to branch out and expand your character, based upon your own choices.

Armor Use: 4 ranks. That's enough for full leather. Any more than that and you'll experience hindrance.

Shield/Weapons: Drop them. All of them. Pick up a nice 4x runestaff, instead.

Physical Fitness: 30ish, or enough ranks to max out your Health. But most would suggest 1x, matched to your level. This is to defend against critter attacks, and also helps with climbing, swimming, etc. I tend to agree, but my character has survived fine with far less. So start there and season to taste.

Arcane Symbols: 1x. If you want to be really wiz-bang at infusing scrolls, double this.

Magic Item Use: 1x. That's all you really need. You don't want less than this, though, since you'll need magical ranks for runestaff defense.

Spell Aiming: 2x (or nothing). There was a time when sorcerers balked at this skill. That is no longer the case. I think it's important enough that 2x is the new standard. We've got focused implosion, focused maelstrom, limb disruption, web bolt, and the best ball-type spell in the game, Balefire (713). If you want any hope of tossing these spells with any degree of success, double Spell Aim. It also counts as magical ranks towards your runestaff defense. I highly recommend 2x.

Harness Power: 1x. Remember, this is the basic starting point. You can double this if you're hurting for mana. But by 61st level, 1x should be okay, especially if you can tap resources such as society abilities, sacrifice, and the mana pulse command.

Elemental/Spirital Mana Control: 50 ranks each. That's enough to use MANA SPELLUP once a day, and get 4 multi-casts. It also makes the above-mentioned MANA PULSE command very useful.

Spiritual Lore - Summoning: You don't have any of this, and you don't need any. But it's worth mentioning, because some sorcerers find it to be a very useful skill. I have 30 ranks and wouldn't trade them. This makes my bolt-version of Web (118) quite usable, and lets me use 116 Locate Person into adjacent realms. But for baseline purposes: zero.

Sorcerous Lore - Demonology/Necromancy: Lores are a rather special area, and depend a lot on your personal goals and vision for your character. But for baseline purposes, I think 1x in any combination of lores should be fine. It appears you've opted for the 50/50 route, and this may work for you. But this subject really deserves its own discussion, so I'll expound upon this later. I'm sure others will be happy to offer more advice on lores, as well.

Survival: 15 ranks. Some say zero, some say 1x. But in my opinion, 15 ranks is enough to get by.

Disarming Traps: Zero. Waste of points. Drop it.

Stalking and Hiding: Zero. If you need to be able to disappear for some reason, get a glass amulet. If it's really, really, really important to you, you could go for 40 ranks of Spiritual Lore - Summoning and use Spirit Fog (106). That's an insane number of TPs, but Summoning has other benefits that might interest you. Again, more on lores later.

Perception: 20ish. About 20 ranks will get you in/out of most places, with the aid of 402 (Presence) (and patience). YMMV. I like to 1x this, myself.

Climbing/Swimming: 15 ranks each, at a minimum. More if you are averse to falling and/or drowning. I find about 30 ranks each fairly comfortable. You'll need more depending on where you want to hunt in the future. But again...we're talking basics.

First Aid: Zero. You don't need this skill. If you want to be able to skin stuff, you need at least roughly 1x in any combination of Survival/First Aid. In other words, you could have .5x Survival and .5x First Aid and be a reasonably decent skinner. Not good, mind you, but decent.

Spells: Opinions on spells vary widely. For baseline purposes, however, I suggest the following for your level. Remember, this is a starting point, not necessarily "optimal":

Minor Elemental: 40. You currently have 55, which gives you some extra CS/AS/DS from 425 Elemental Targetting (you ARE using 425, right)? You'll eventually want to get this to 75ish. But in my opinion, you're a bit ahead of where you need to be, and that's costing you TPs that might be better spent elsewhere. I hesitate to say "drop them" though, in light of your DS woes. I think once you retrain with a runestaff, however, you'll find you don't need whatever bonuses you're getting from those extra ranks.

Minor Spiritual: 40. This is a good stopping point for now, since you've got Wall of Force and decent bonuses from 102 and 102. Those extra 8 ranks are TPs better spent elsewhere (for now).

Sorcerer: 61. Baseline. If, after all the above is accounted for, you have tons of TPs to toss around and you want to maximize your CS, you could add ranks up to +20 over level. It's not necessary however, especially since you appear to be a dark elf. Your CS should be adequate at 1x.


If I were going to fix-skills to a new build, the above is where I'd start. You can always add skills as you begin to figure out what kind of sorcerer you really want to be. And of course there are plenty of other options available. The above minimum training will probably leave you a little lacking in some areas, but you really should not be having any more DS problems once you ditch the sword and shield and beef up your magical ranks. I think everything else should fall into place for you.

Hope you find this useful. Good luck, and slay many. :)

~ Heathyr and friends

Ok first off Thank you all here on the message boards and those in game that have been very helpful in figuring this out with me. Second this is what I came up with in the inn so far I still have like 165 PTP left to use with the below listed set up. The only part im still a little fuzzy on is the lores as far as what direction I want to go I have no idea. I played around a bit with a lowbie sorcerer on free account before reactivating this guy and I saw that with necro lore 701 returns some life to me when I use it (not a lot but I was only level 8. Way back when I played 750 was demon summoning but it was never implamented in the 4 and half years of my playing time. So should I just leave it split like it is or change to all in 1 or the other? Before I actually use the fixskills I have I wanted to make sure this looked decent to everyone. Also as a side note thanks to a very helpful sorcerer in game last night I found out I was missing some of my defensive spells IE 713 (new spell to me wasn't in game before) and another one of the elementals, also 103 which cause im staff now I can use. SO I was able to get my DS to 409 and my CS with 425 was up to 339. Not sure what the below changes will do to that.

Ranks P/M (Max) Skill Name Ranks P/M (Max) Skill Name
Armor Skills Magic Skills
1) 11 15/0 (63) Armor Use 26) 61 0/2 (126) Arcane Symbols
2) 0 13/0 (63) Shield Use 27) 60 0/2 (126) Magic Item Use
Weapon Skills 28) 63 0/8 (189) Harness Power
3) 0 6/2 (63) Edged Weapons 29) 121 6/2 (126) Spell Aiming
4) 0 6/2 (63) Blunt Weapons 30) 50 0/3 (126) Mana Control: Elemental
5) 0 14/3 (63) Two-Handed Weapons 31) 50 0/3 (126) Mana Control: Spiritual
6) 0 14/3 (63) Ranged Weapons 32) 0 0/12 (63) Mana Control: Mental
7) 0 9/3 (63) Thrown Weapons Spell Research (189)
8) 0 14/3 (63) Pole Arm Weapons 33) 45 0/32 Minor Elemental
9) 0 10/2 (63) Brawling 34) 45 0/32 Minor Spiritual
Combat Skills 35) 62 0/32 Sorcerer Base
10) 0 12/12 (63) Two Weapon Combat Elemental Lore (126)
11) 0 12/8 (63) Combat Maneuvers 36) 0 0/7 Air
12) 0 15/10 (63) Multi-Opponent Combat 37) 0 0/7 Earth
13) 0 15/14 (63) Ambush 38) 0 0/7 Fire
14) 61 8/0 (63) Physical Training 39) 0 0/7 Water
15) 0 20/20 (63) Dodging Spiritual Lore (126)
40) 0 0/7 Blessings
General Skills 41) 0 0/7 Religion
16) 30 4/0 (63) Climbing 42) 0 0/7 Summoning
17) 30 3/0 (63) Swimming Sorcerous Lore (126)
18) 0 2/6 (63) Disarming Traps 43) 31 0/6 Demonology
19) 0 2/4 (126) Picking Locks 44) 31 0/6 Necromancy
20) 0 5/4 (63) Stalking & Hiding Mental Lore (63)
21) 25 0/3 (126) Perception 45) 0 0/20 Divination
22) 20 2/1 (126) First Aid 46) 0 0/20 Manipulation
23) 0 0/3 (126) Trading 47) 0 0/20 Telepathy
24) 0 3/3 (63) Picking Pockets 48) 0 0/20 Transference
25) 15 3/2 (126) Survival 49) 0 0/20 Transformation

Bah for some reason the message boards scrunched all my skills up together, really sorry if there hard to read.

>Armor use 11 ranks

why? what armor are you wearing?

Here is what I would do.

Drop armor use to 8 ranks.
Drop Minor Spiritual Circle to 40 ranks.
Drop Minor Elemental Circle to 40 ranks.
Raise Demonology Lore by 19 ranks.
Lower Necromancy Lore by 19 ranks.
Drop all ranks of First Aid.
Raise Sorcerer Spell Circle 10 ranks.

And you actually want to shoot for 21+(not 20+) over you level in Sorcerer Circle. The way the math works the extra spell will give you an extra +1 CS.

At 61 you also might want to move to Ta'Illistim. The hunting progression there is much easier. Start with black forest ogres and vipers, and then move to skull temple in a few levels.

Again this is only my opinion.

Drauz