Oh He's a dwarf and I let Simu generate my stats. I'm planning on changing my srtats for growth when my 30 days is up.

.5 training in pally spells and no armor is a big nono. At least get 1 spell per level and keep 2xing in armor and PT (health). Dodge x 2 is okay though I, myself just do 1x. CMing x 1 is a bit expensive. I'm not sure why you are wanting to x1 in TWC when you are 2xing in brawling.

Lores are nice, but they should also be secondary / fillers

Maybe try this:

Armor x 2
PT x 2
Weapon x 2
TWC x 2 (assung a pally can do this x 2 but if not then don't bother with this)
Dodge x 1
Spell x 1
Harness Power x 1 (For mana)

Fillers:
CMs
Climbing
Swimming
Lore
Multi Ops
First Aid
Mana Share


Later on in life you won't be using spells so much nor will you need to keep training in armor.. but that is WAY down the road after you are in Plate and have at least 35 trains in Paladin Spells and whatever amount of spirit spells you'd like.

Hope that helps or at least gives a good guide line. You have to remember a paladin is a Divine Champion of an Arkati and thus use their spells.

If it helps: This is me at almost 87 trains (1k til).

Falvicar (at level 86), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 276 176
Combat Maneuvers...................| 189 89
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 276 176
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 160 60
Physical Fitness...................| 276 176
Dodging............................| 188 88
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Harness Power......................| 188 88
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 140 40
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 70 15
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 140 40
First Aid..........................| 140 40

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 30

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 40
Training Points: 60 Phy 0 Mnt (272 Phy converted to Mnt)
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Thank you for the feedback everyone. Just a couple of questions. WHat is Ensorcell, and how do I choose a Diety?

If you want armor just get 8 ranks of armor and wear double leathers.
I see you getting those advocates for heavier armors already but those people tend to just look at the DS portion of dodging being lost when you train in heavier armors.
The problem with their assessments are always they never take into account you are also decreasing your evade % chance when you train in those heavier armors. So Robes with 1x dodge would give you 5% evasion. Plate with 1x dodge would give you 1%.
Most of the time they will also argue that you take hits alot better in plate, however when you're in lighter armors you get hit less. Only thing you have to really worry about is Spells, but with the release of Ensorcell the CvA problem is not so much a problem anymore.
So go for whatever armor you feel comfortable in I say.

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A paladin not wearing plate or just wearing leathers is just.. silly (My opinion). Personally, if you're not wanting to wear heavy armor then I'd stick with a monk or a rogue as they would "dodge" the hits. A paladin with crit padded plate and redux is a walking tank.. you can afford to take the hits and then cast yourself 1607 shortly after a Beseech (1635). Without plate, when (Not if but when) you get hit, you will be stunned a lot longer and take more damage. A paladin isn't designed to play "dodge". The only time a paladin wouldn't be in plate / hauberk / breast plate is while they are young in trainings but that will catch up them in the long run as they train.


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* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

That's just it though.. There's no real "DPS". You have 5 second (average) RT. You will get hit, not if, not when. Thus the paladin should ignore dodge and work towards heavier armor. Not to mention it helps on Redux... But tis your own choice at the end how to train a paladin. My theory: When you get to about 40 trains (being optimistic) it'll catch up to you as you'll find the critters have a lot more health and require a lot more hits to be placed upon them and I think that's about the beginning phase where you see combat manuevers used by the critters if I'm not mistaken. Things such as Roa'ters going under ground and then hitting you. Yes, dodge will help you avoid some of it, but not all the time thus why the armor is needed. I very seriously doubt a paladin can take a 300 roll, and take 40 damage but only be in padded robes and of course.. not stunned. Yes, Beseech.. but with plate you wouldn't have to and thus save the mana. Yes, my build is a 2 hander weapon, but you'll see I do have dodge but I 1x it. Arguably I probably could start 2xing it if I really wanted to, but I see no point in it.

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* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

>.8-.9 x paladin spells. i personally find the benefits of training only in paladin circle and using lores are a more cost effective way for ds/td than training minor circle, plus the added benefit to cs is huge.

>lores 1x
>(24 religon first)
>(10 summoning)
>(then blessing for life) the blessing benefits to you ds/td/shield blocking ability, are huge IMO

This is similar to what I'm doing now, much to my surprise. I got to 1640 and stopped training spells, mainly to get into plate. Now I've been training lores instead of 100s. The only MnS spell I really want is 120, which while I'm sure to get at some point, I haven't been rushing towards.

But, I'm straight training to 40 Summoning Ranks. The benefits to 1605 and 1630 are quite good. The 9 ranks for 1625 with 1615 is very solid. Having 1603 give 0 hindrance is also nice. Mostly, I want to see how I like 1620 self-cast.

Either way, I have a fixskill to burn between now and May, so if I dislike this path (either the specific lores, or I decide it really is finally time to learn MnS), then I can go that more traditional route.

Otherwise, I like this last proposed training path the most. A brawling paladin should basically be a sword/board type, with a brawling weapon. At least 5 ranks of MOC is rather essential. Though, maybe more with such a low base weapon RT.

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>Kayse scrambles to avoid being sucked into the void!

I'll admit, Daid, I'm toying with the idea of getting 40 in Summoning although I'm currently at 15. What I don't know is if this would work at The Rift and where I should anchor. But.. I rarely die there anyway so it's kinda moot <shrug> although it would come handy if I died on the 5th plane and thus could avoid getting all those needed scars and having to eat many herbs just to escape from Birthing Sands and back to the Icemule or Pinefar to heal up, recover, and restock on herbs.



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- Kobold in Disguise Falvicar, Blade of the Night

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* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

just yesterday i made the decision to leave RR after hunting non-stop for 45 minutes in the cellar and only ever having reached muddled. as sword and board 25 ranks rel, 10 ranks summon, 31 ranks blessing, self spelled with guards. i was nicked just about every place you could possibly be nicked, 3 minor bleeders, but very much alive

actually i find hunting the slopes and hidden plateau kinda boring, so i am heading to the skull temple for a while, then i will likely come back for a few levels of mino magi.

>actually i find hunting the slopes and hidden plateau kinda boring, so i am heading to the skull temple for a while, then i will likely come back for a few levels of mino magi.

>The magi (maybe it's just me) didn't seem to be spawning much when I hunted there, usually twas just warriors.

This is basically true. In my experience, the magi do not spawn in the maze that leads out of the Labyrinth, only in the other four. Also, the number of total magi which can spawn I believe is more limited (because of the number of spawning rooms). So if you want to hunt magi explicitly, you have to search for them. They especially seem to like spawning in the lower maze through the archway. They might also not spawn in the western maze either. Note, however, that the color-coding for spawning on the map included with Lich is definitely erroneous; the top maze leading out has warriors and lesser minotaurs, not magi. Also, on the staircase area before the labyrinth, I think only lesser minotaur spawn. Finally, in the main plateau, dwellers, yeti, and lesser minotaur all spawn I think.

Of course, that analysis is just my personal experience...but something about those maps is not right.

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>Kayse scrambles to avoid being sucked into the void!

Wait til you get to the Rift :-)

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You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at Sevynne!

* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!