>and my character would think you're both Zelians, because no giantkin is 9'2" <Ghrim>

>Cruush is 9'2". My Dhe'nar has stood beside him countless times, and is about chest height. She has to reach way up to rub his bald head. He's like a meat shield. She adores him, in that twisted Dhe'nar sort of way. And he's 9'2". <Rh>

Hope you're having fun playing Ghrimstome IV. Hopefully one day the rest of us will drop our idiotic ways and join you in the One True Vision of Elanthia.

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And.. an empath has the chance to boneshatter someone. That's pretty violent.

Accidents happen to pacifists too, you know.

>>Hope you're having fun playing Ghrimstome IV. Hopefully one day the rest of us will drop our idiotic ways and join you in the One True Vision of Elanthia.

If you don't like rules, go play freeform RP in a chat room, but what it comes down to is that in Elanthia, we have binding rules that regulate our roleplay.

Oh, and it's GRHimstone IV

Not 9 foot tall, that much I do recall. Basically what we have here is a case of "players wanting to draw outside of the lines" and when other players aren't willing to play along they get stubborn. Bad form people.

Jim

The inexpert captain, and the unlearned physician, do buy their experience at too dear a rate, for it is still purchased with the price of men's lives. -Captain Barnabe Rich (1540-1617)

Yeah. What she said.

CH

P.S. Pbbbbt!

"Most animals are better people than most people I know."

>Speaking deeply to a depressed floor stone, you say "Awww...c'mon. It can't be THAT bad."

Semper ubi sub ubi.

<<If I got any more loose RheisIa's Witch I'd bet stuck in the bathroom all the time.>>

Now there's a visual I did not need.

The fact is, Jim, you are not particularily accepting of many things. A thread running re: decay comes to mind. And that's cool. That's the great thing about opinions, everyone's got one and they're free.

<<If you want free form role-playing where the players just make up the rules as they go, there are indeed games out there like that.>>

Who said anything about free-form? No one. Again, the claim that Cruush is 9'2" is not claiming some historical documentation happened opposite it did. It's not claiming that halflings actually researched and perfected the art of demonic summoning, not the Faendryl. Or that the pantheon of Lornon is actually made up of sparkly little fairies that give people red shoes.

I can appreciate conforming to docs when it actually matters - history, racial interaction, geographical issues, etc.

The height of a character, which has to be RP'ed to even be part of daily life in the Realm in the first place (combat mechanics aside) is really not something to stiffle. It's RP.

<<Give me a break.>>

Not a chance. :)

RheisIa's Witch

...and you will know her by the trail of limbs. Four of them Jenovadeath's.

It's alright, plenty of Zelians are dellusional, I've known halflings that think they were Dhe'nar, 7 feet giantkin that think they're 9 feet tall...

<<or not shun your Elf for bringing her halfling husband around>>

Heh, I sure wish that would happen as the norm, and not the exception. Unfortunately, most people don't even give it a second thought. In Elanthian terms, those two people would be extreme perverts!

As for elf vs. giant heights, I've been around a bit longer than Grhim, and when we started the average giant was taller than the average elf. (Elves were most definitely not listed as 7' tall on average, as several here have attested.) A tall elf though could have been the same height as a shorter giant with the information that was given.

It makes sense that there's overlap and as several have pointed out, averages are just that. There's always room to play a freak of nature. (I think Tierus is an elf who has a beard isn't he? Definitely a freak of nature. Well, or possibly someone with a human in the woodpile that hasn't been admitted to. <grin>) As long as the player realizes that's what they're doing and it's within the realm of believability, it's fine.

Zyllah

>Cuz High Lord Cruush Halochek is 9'2". Nicely done, shira'qa. Three more and I can use you for bait. Big, huge meatshield bait.

::beams proudly::

I've always wanted to be bait!

CH

"Most animals are better people than most people I know."

>Speaking deeply to a depressed floor stone, you say "Awww...c'mon. It can't be THAT bad."

Semper ubi sub ubi.

>>Nor do I know what kind of information you're citing since I've seen no documentation from ANYONE during this entire subject aside from something warden made up.

What warden says his more weight then what you say. By the way ghrim where is your documentation to support your viewpoint?

In my years playing, which means squat really but everyone else brought up there years so I am to, I always was under the impression that elves were generally around 6 feet tall, and that is where majority of them came in at height. Thats how i've always played my character as taller then norm, at around 6'1", 6'2".

To me giantmen were always around the 7 foot mark as average. And I do remember docuemntation supporting this, but I have no proof. But regardless the new documentation is here. The only thing I would change is raising the range for giants so the max was 7.5 or so.

This does not exclude the abberations, because those always exist. Remember most things in gemstone documents regard races refers to the normal members of those races. Adventurers by their very nature are abnormal members. a 3 foot giantmen or a 5 foot halfling, it could be possible. Through magic or natural means.


-player of hakwea

"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him" ~Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
The demonologists Handbook: http://www.geocities.com/gsdemonologist/

and the max height for elves is 7 feet. I'd love for Voraviel to chime in on this discussion.

>>and Zyllah, a VERY recently added GM hiding behind the GM name while implying he/she's been playing longer than I have?

I'm confused about the amplification. Part of my problem may well be that I don't track by time how long anyone has been here. Could I ask the relevence?

Merit of decision is granted by authority (like Warden saying something is so or not so. Or the infamous "No" responses we used to get. ;) Merit of fact (correctness) is granted by virtue of knowledge (like a GM saying something is or is not working as expected, or a player researching and being able to document some facet of mechanics.) Merit of opinion is something we should all grant one another, irrespective of everything else. After all, opinions are not right or wrong, they simply are.

Is this an opinion? Or is it a fact?

Doug, factually opinionated.

>>and the max height for elves is 7 feet. I'd love for Voraviel to chime in on this discussion.

Do you have a source for this? But you should be using past tense anyways, as the max height for elves is 6.5 now regardless of old documentation.


-player of hakwea

"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him" ~Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
The demonologists Handbook: http://www.geocities.com/gsdemonologist/

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Lin?ri (?Singers?) 5 10 - 6 10

The Lin?ri possess golden-blond hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They are tall and graceful, generally slender of build but strong. Most Lin?r prefer natural spaces to structures, and when they build homes they are always airy, open designs filled with light and warmth. True to their name, the Lin?r are as a rule a musical people. All children are taught to sing at the same time they are instructed in language.

Loari (?Builders?) 5 10 - 6 10

The Loari almost without exception have ravenblack hair. Eye color can be brown, grey-blue or hazel, and their complexion is fair - even pale. While a Loar may love nature as much as his Lin?r cousin, he seeks to unlock its hidden secrets rather than enjoy it in its untouched state. Among the contemporary peoples, they are unmatched in science, architecture, and technology. The Loar egos are also unsurpassed among Elves and men - except perhaps by the Dyari.

Dyari (?Delvers?) 5 10 - 6 10

The Dyari are, despite their nickname of `Dark Elves,? no darker in skin pigmentation than their brethren; in fact they are very fair-skinned. While most have raven hair, a few are born with pure white locks. Their ears frequently have more pronounced points than the other Elves; their eyes are grey, black, or sometimes amber. Often, however, they are so similar to their Loar cousins that it is difficult - at least for mortals - to tell the difference.
The Dark Elves instead gained their name because of an earned reputation for associating with the powers of darkness. It is true that many of their kind have been seduced by the lure of the Unlife, but most Dyari are merely what one might call `mercenary.? They embody the worst traits of the Loari but to the extreme: they are vain and arrogant, considering all other races (including other Elves) to be inferior. They often have a lust for power: political, magical, physical, and spiritual. Dyari also have a passion for technology. But while the Loari appreciate science and engineering often as ends unto themselves, the Dyari see machines as tools to gain wealth and power over others.

Jaaderi 5 8 - 6 8


The Jaaderi are an ancient people who make their homes in the plains of Tai-emer for one. Robust and often powerfully built, the Jaaderi are a race to stand with the Laan in physical nobility. Their skin is a coppery red-brown, with green, brown or hazel eyes. Other distinguishing features include a prominent, hooked nose, full lips, and large earlobes. Their hair is sleek, straight and black; men have little body hair and their beard grows sparsely. Jaaderi faces have a slightly elongated look, accentuated by a high forehead and a hairline which often recedes soon after maturity in men.

Laan (Zori) 5 8 - 6 10

The Laan are even taller than the Elves, but more heavily boned and physically stronger. Their hair is straight and dark brown to coal black, eyes blue, grey or hazel, and they tend to be fair-skinned, from very pale seeming to a flushed but light complexion. Few of the men sport beards; in fact most have little or no facial hair (and little body hair). The Laan are great warriors, leaders and empire-builders: their ambition matches their
great stature. They are concentrated in a few portions of Emer and in Jaiman (where they are called Zori).

Talath (Myri) 5 10 - 7

The Talath are a hardy race, blond and blue-eyed. They have cultures in Northwestern H?stra and are suited to cooler climes, having settlements in SE Jaiman (known as the Myri), and other cool temperate regions. Powerfully built,the Talath are of amazing size and strength. Most have a fair countenance; the men have little or no beard. Both sexes are big-boned and have a physical and mental strength borne of a life of hard work and pure spirit.

So, could someone PLEASE explain to me how in the original incantation of gemstone, since we're all going by how long we've been around, when exactly was it that any race was taller than elves?

/arguement over

6 feet 10 inches is pretty much 7 feet in my book, and by the way I see none of the highmen being above seven feet either, aside from Talath.

We can pretend that gemstone isn't shadow world, but in reality we all know it is, everything is exactly the same besides slight name changes. I'm much more willing to accept heights put down twenty years ago that I've been roleplaying for 12 than Warden's nonsense.

>I'm much more willing to accept heights put down twenty years ago that I've been roleplaying for 12 than Warden's nonsense.<

I'm afraid I don't understand this attitude.

Warden is the head SGM fella. His decisions are what matter. And I highly doubt that his decisions are made without consulting with other SGMs/GMs and onsite staff, as well as the Product Manager.

GS has changed over the years and isn't Shadow World anymore. It's fine to not like the changes as everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that opinion doesn't make the changes any less a real part of the current game.

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The wont make us giants an extreme tall cause then they would logically have to give us the no ambush head messanging, and then folks would complain about balance.

Or an even better one, "Hey, let's change things that have been the way they have for over 15 years, and invalidate everyones roleplay!!!"

/not sarcasm

<<As I had always understood it, giants were in general taller than elves, but the maximum height for elves was 7', and the maximum height for highmen was 7'.>>

Well maybe that's part of the problem. We aren't discussing highmen and never have been, since they haven't existed since 1995. We've been discussing the post-ICE era giantmen, among others. As for the rest about me, I won't bother to comment. Other than that your definition of "VERY recent" and mine are a bit different. ;)

<<That's fine Carabelle, but over some arbitrary stuff that Warden (Who by the way has ruined a good amount of things in this game, SGM or not) made up, my character just shrank four inches?>>

No one said your character had to shrink four inches. The whole thread started with people discussing how tall their characters are based on their understandings at the time they rolled them up. The general concensus has been that people intend to keep to the RP they've already established in regard to heights. Warden isn't gonna zap your character if you do that and four inches are hardly enough for other players to start screaming "YOU'RE CRAZY TO SAY YOUR CHARACTER IS THAT TALL AND WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE!"

Having the chart now though will be a huge help to people rolling up new characters so they know what the current ranges are considered to be so they can decide how average their character is or not compared to the racial norm.

Such decisions are hardly arbitrary.

Zyllah

>>To GRIMREAPER, actually [grin].

Heh. Nope, not over-sensitive. Not me!

Doug, moving back over to the corner.

You've been a GM as long as Lothwyn Zyllah, that still doesn't mean you predate me in anyway, in fact I'm fairly certain Lothwyn's PC was made at around the same time mine was but again, you are able to hide behind GM anonymity, and claim you've been around longer than me.

What I don't understand is why Warden feels the need to shake things up that have been the way they are for so long. The main reason most of the people still play gemstone is nostalgia, and a roleplaying environment, and Warden's "changes" usually screw with both of these things.

Then again, maybe gemstone will get bought by wizards of the coast or something, and I'll have a 5 foot tall dungeons and dragons elf, oh boy!