Thanks for the update and glad to hear it's 1 shop per account going forward.

Any chance that you've coded in automatic partners for characters on same account (and not count against the actual partners list)? Would prevent having to mule things around just to put an item up for sale.

I don't see anything in the policy that prohibits multiple shops on one account, just that it says it is being tracked. Is there some intention to add prevention of allowing a second shop on the same account?

Does the policy apply to linked accounts as well, or just accounts?

Archsenex: Yes, moving forward you can only own one shop. All existing multi-shop owners are grandfathered in. It checks for the account.

Retser, ASGM

>>Yes, moving forward you can only own one shop. All existing multi-shop owners are grandfathered in. It checks for the account. -Retser

For reference, is that throughout all instances, or one per account in each?

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> Any chance that you've coded in automatic partners for characters on same account (and not count against the actual partners list)? Would prevent having to mule things around just to put an item up for sale. ~WHIGHTCNIGHT


I'd like to highlight WHIGHTCNIGHT's question. Retser, would you please allow characters on the same account to be partners for a shop?
Thanks!

There is no chance that I coded automatic partners. There are too many points where I'd have to do an overhaul to achieve it at this time. This is more of a future state thing than a current state.

Retser, ASGM

> There is no chance that I coded automatic partners. There are too many points where I'd have to do an overhaul to achieve it.


Thanks for the speedy reply. If not automatic, will there be a means to allow folks on the same account to become partners to the shop? I heard it is possible today but requires transferring the deed to a secondary account, setting the partners then transferring it back to the primary account (seems risky and requires finessing of mechanics).

As GM Retser said, I am working on Cysaegir, and we will let you all know when they are available!

~ Valyrka ~
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>I am working on Cysaegir

Glad to see this. Are there any plans for Cysaegir to also be getting its own lockers/CHE annexes/MHO structure/guild structures? I never understood why one could become a citizen, but the town never seemed complete.

A huge round of applause for Retser for fixing up shops.

It would be neat if there was an automatic option to move inventory and furniture from an old shop to a new one, much like the locker movers. Prices could be based on how much they are being sold for. Definitely something in the area of hopes and dreams though I would imagine.

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Thanks for all this really great work. The community has been waiting a decade or more for a lot of the changes with playershops, and it's really promising to see so much work being done.

I'm aware there are mixed feelings from the player base about whether accounts would be limited to having more than one shop or not. However, I have to say that for myself I'm pretty freaking disappointed to read this post. I want to go as far as to say that even the policy and announcement seem to totally downplay the one-per-account limit. Maybe I just read things the wrong way, but in the previous thread

WYROM:

I realize everyone doesn't want to pay scalped shop permit prices. Retser and I will discuss some options, but we realize there won't be a real fair way to do this. One per account doesn't stop someone with 10 Premium accounts. Someone who wants a second shop shouldn't be shut out entirely. Linked accounts shouldn't be shut out. We're not going to be handing these out, the system will be doing all that. Only thing I can say is... There was no widespread automation in GS when shops were released. We will do what's best for the game overall.

It would have been really easy to announce the intent to limit one-per account. Even the first light of day it was stated:

RETSER

A lot of you are going to be asking, I want a shop, how do I get a shop? Starting phase 3 you will be able to purchase shops again. There won’t be a shortage of shops, so don’t panic. There are 679 shops and of which 462 are abandoned with my latest test from prime.

In fact, I did want a shop. Yes, it was a second shop but I still really wanted it. I won't be able to purchase one because I already have one, seriously come on.

Whatever it's too late now and I don't really see the point of posting my complaint. It has now been made clear, but I'm really bummed. I can't understand in the slightest why such a huge restriction wasn't just typed out in the first announcements about the overhaul. I mean it's a really easy sentence to write in a crystal clear way, so why get a lot of us really excited only to sneak the fact in during a later release? I really strongly feel deceived here and it does not make me feel nice.

question about grandfathering shops owner accounts, does that mean they can still get 1 more without going over the 1 per account limit?

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VEYTHORNE

I think the key part is -- "We will do what's best for the game overall."

Limiting shops to 1 per account is what's best for the game overall. You can still have a second shop, if you're willing to pay for it.

I think the key sentence is strongly subjective, depending on the reader. And I don't mind at all Wyrom catering to many interests and being a bit political in his wording. I didn't expect we'd be able to have multiple shops, but in the middle of this sort of debate by players he came in and said verbatim that players that wanted a second shop wouldn't be shut out. Even now I see the meaning, just like you, that the key sentence was a different one. And even the way the post by the product manager cleverly catered to everyone I also respect. I just felt that once it was decided (I assume in the last weeks to give staff benefit of the doubt), it should have been stated clearly.

I logged in only for my daily login, but I also like to check my shop, unrelated to recent updates. I saw a ton of stuff spammed to my screen, and it looked serious. But it looked really unclear, too. I found this thread. I read the OP. It remained unclear. It required a player to ask for clarification that anyone with a shop on their main account cannot get another one. Why on earth leave this for one month, and then not just write it out in the announcement in a clear way? The issue might be sensitive, but that's only the more reason to write a statement of fact (which likely cannot be debated) into the 'new information' on a thread which is important enough to hit play.net main page and announcements.

I really don't mind the idea, I just think it's nonsense to dodge around the topic and try to use clever and mysterious wording and omission. The decision was made. What was the gain to make official and huge posts on a long awaited release in what is now a sly and nebulous way? Come right out with it, don't make us scroll through text, and wait for the most astute and quickest responding community member (in this case) to ask for clarification on something that is so simple, so important, and so easy.

That's why I'm baffled. It's known to be of interest, why not just tell us? Heck I wish it was just decided before everything. Now the playershop overhaul is just a pile of rubble for me. As an existing single-shop owner, it means I have to pay rent and do all kinds of stuff. That's why I said I felt deceived. People that have shops and are running them enjoy it. We are enthusiastic about player shops. I already even started enchanting projects for the character I imagined to easily get a new shop in Zul Logoth (it's really where I wanted it...not because it was the only place that I might snag one).

Let me run to the bathroom because I'm choking on my barf.

I think it's good to start with 1 per account. Give it at least 6 months to make sure shops are correctly being repossessed on an ongoing basis and that people aren't completely take advantage of the deed sales like last time, then re-evaluate if the limit is needed based on demand.

If you want two shops, and another person wants two shops, maybe trade rooms in each others' shops.

Earlier in the process I posted the method to checking in. The owner and/or partner must actually GO into the shop to check in. Logging into the shop and typing SHOP INFO won't actually check you in. The manifest does not contain all the new information. SHOP INFO is a new command that shows all the available data additions.

If the owner check in is blank, the owner needs to check in.

If a partner checked in by entering the shop face then you are fine. Which it looks like you did.


In short,
The shop manifest is showing the "GENERAL CHECK IN" which can be the owner or partner, that is working as intended.
The OWNER check in is something new as of 5/15/17 that is a separate field.

This is not a bug.

Retser, ASGM

I thought a previous notice mentioned that the shop owner, if grouped, needed to be the leader of the group when entering.

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

<<Yes, they must be the leader.>>

We weren't grouped.