This sounds like it will be a lot of fun and seems very paladinish! Looking forward to playing with it in the near future. Don't feel you have to rush though as I only have 47 ranks of paladin spells at present (3 more to go!)

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Interesting! I've been saying for a while that I was skeptical about whether a combat-focused 1650 could convince me to spend the TPs and sacrifice the redux (and other opportunity costs), but you kinda dodged around it because I don't really care how useful it is--I just think it looks like fun to play around with because of all the different things it can do.

I'm also more committed than ever to staying super heavy on Religion lore since I love both maneuvers and mstrikes!

Some non-numbers questions:

Can you use more than one ability at a time, assuming you have enough points in your pool?

Specifically, with enough points, can you get zeal flares on your super mstrike?

Are zeal flares instead of, or in addition to, crusade flares?

I like flares!

Does incarnation change your appearance?

Is it too late to change the verb to GODMODE?

Very cool! Happy to see the spell finally come to fruition. Looks like you all have not only listened to suggestions but improved upon them. Can't wait to try it!

Chad, player of a few

This sounds amazing and I will get it regardless. Very interested in seeing some numbers though in regards to lore requirements.


As I gaze over the horizon, the wind tugs at my cloak and whispers, "Adventure" in my ear.

AIM: Kaight (Matt) GS4

Also, hope the verbage after incarnate for smite isn't SMITE, because i already use that verb a lot with voln smite and can see it being an issue.

or you can set a macro or alias

I guess we'll see how it shakes out. Finding out its a skill that is mostly aimed at fitting a niche role in a late night (eastern time zone) situation for invasions is very disheartening though. I'm sure the mechanics and flavor text will be top notch even if the usefulness is not there for people who hardly ever see invasions.

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

I don't think it's niche at all. The Onslaught ability sounds amazing for warcamps or Reim, the Armor ability is kinda like 550, Zeal seems like fun overkill (and come to think of it, if that works for each hit from a TWC paladin, I might have to reconsider my Summoning lore plan), and Smite seems like a 917-type thing where you'll really be glad to have it for certain targets.

NEWHALLJ:

Some non-numbers questions:

Can you use more than one ability at a time, assuming you have enough points in your pool?

Specifically, with enough points, can you get zeal flares on your super mstrike?

Are zeal flares instead of, or in addition to, crusade flares?

I like flares!

Does incarnation change your appearance?

Is it too late to change the verb to GODMODE?

You can use the abilities at the same time, but the use of the ability does incur roundtime. So you could use ZEAL, wait through that roundtime, and then use ONSLAUGHT and the abilities would stack so to speak. Yes Crusade flares can be used in combination with Zeal, as can any other paladin type flares. The Zeal flares do not trigger with cmans or shield maneuvers, only with attacks. While I wish I had the time to physically change your appearance, this was out of scope for this project. As you'll see later on when the spell is released an enormous amount of work went into developing 1650 and unfortunately, I had to pick and choose what to develop in order to get this done for you all.

GameMaster Cyraex

THORNBROOK:

Looks like a lot of fun and the part that I was most pleased to see was the cooldown. Except for the single x/day portion this spell could be usable once every hunt. While I might not use it every hunt it is something that at least I'd use often enough to remember to use it at a fitting moment.

I understand the dislike for x/day usages, however when you see the actual numbers for the ARMOR ability, you will better understand why the spell needed to be designed this way. In order to give you all "god like" abilities, there had to be a trade off and x/day usages is how that was accomplished for the emergency uses of ARMOR. As we've shared with you all before, all the development we do is reviewed, criticized, and debated upon by the entire development team and we do our best to take everyone's concerns into account. At the end of the day though, we have to do our best to preserve game balance while still providing you all with amazing new abilities. That's why we use the x/day usages sometimes. That being said, though the emergency uses of ARMOR will be limited, you will still have access to it each time you cast 1650.

GameMaster Cyraex

Glad to hear your excited! I just figured I'd explain the reason for the x/day usages before someone else asked.

GameMaster Cyraex

KRAKII:

And see also, Order of the Stick:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0012.html

I had a good chuckle, thanks for sharing!

GameMaster Cyraex

Haven't read everything but just throwing it out there that I hope there is room left to allow the spell to have customized and semi-customized descriptions.

~ The girl behind Debia

---

www.ElanthianEvents.com
Find me on Facebook: www.facebook.com/angelofsharath

>> Thank you for your efforts to bring Paladins this awesome spell. One thing that, to me, seems like a great idea would be for a paladin to be able to share in the ability to use the warrior guild for training therein. Either that or the Clerics guild.

Assuming you are looking for additional skills to train in from the guilds, clerics only have alchemy (general alchemy, potions, trinkets) so that doesn't seem very paladin appropriate.

For the warriors guild they have quite a few offerings but my feeling is it would likely be overkill to make that available to paladins (though it would be fun). Maybe you could grant paladins access to a subset of the skills? Hmmm... Disarm? Maybe. Not Berserk, not Warrior Tricks (which includes sheath making), not Tackle (I suppose you could but it doesn't seem very paladinly), not War Cries (though it might be fun to see a paladin flavor version of these), not Batter Barrier... doesn't seem like much of a lift / benefit from this glance.

I think the best option for paladin guild skill would be to implement a paladin specific guild. I get the impression this isn't a path the current dev team wishes to travel but of all the choices listed this one would make the most sense to me.

In case I have not correctly understood what you are asking, could you clarify what you mean by "sharing the guild for training" if not to acquire guild skills?

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

First and foremost: Thank you very much for the hard work. I am really excited with this coming.

However; there are several questions.. some of my first questions were answered (such as if stacks with crusade). But.. here goes my questions and I apologize in advance if I am too overbearing / thorn in the side / etc etc.. :-)

As GM Estild shared with some of you at Simucon, I have been working on the development of 1650, Divine Incarnation. Now that the project has entered the final stages of Quality Control, I felt it appropriate to share some high level details with you all about the spell. I am not sure when the spell will be released as this time of year is quite busy for most of the staff with the upcoming Christmas holiday, but I assure you it won't be to much longer. Thank you for your patience!

I will not be sharing any specific numbers at this time, but I will share most of the general mechanics with you. Some of the mechanics in this design were taken from or inspired by player ideas that were posted on the forums, so thank you very much to those of you who participated!

Without further delay, here are the details:

1650 - Divine Incarnation:
The paladin becomes the divine incarnation of their deity. While incarnated the paladin is granted a divine energy pool that may be used to call upon the powers of their deity using the INCARNATE verb. The size of the divine energy pool will increase based upon your training in Spiritual Mana Control. This spell will have a 5 minute duration or until all divine energy is used. There is also a corresponding 10 minute cooldown that starts when the spell is cast. Here are my comments / questions:

*****
ZEAL - A divine aura will enable the paladin to trigger deity specific flares on each successful attack for a certain duration of time. Training in Spiritual Lore Summoning will increase the time duration.

Oh how you tease me with the deity flavor....


ARMOR - A holy armor will surround the paladin granting them a resistance to all forms of attack for a short duration. This ability will be usable during emergency situations, but only a certain number of times per day. Training in Spiritual Lore Blessing will increase the amount of resistance and the number of emergency uses per day.

So - for emergency, is this attached to Beseech or is this going to be Incarnate for the emergency?
With a "holy armor surrounding the paladin" - does this change our currently equipped armor or am I supposed think this more of a buffing thing like damage padding?

SMITE - The paladin attempts to smite a target with an influx of divine energy. This is an SMR2 based offensive ability. Training in Spiritual Lore Religion will increase the amount of damage dealt by this attack.

I have no idea what SMR2 is... But, this sounds awesome!


ONSLAUGHT - The paladin is consumed with the power of their deity and carries out a vicious onslaught. This attack is very similar to an MSTRIKE, however it will incur far less roundtime, attack every valid target in the room and ignore a portion of the target's stance. Training in Spiritual Lore Religion will increase the amount of the target's stance that is ignored.

This... sounds just.. epic. Can this be renamed to Kenstrom Bane? :P In all seriousness, this just adds more to our crowd control and from the sounds of it.. "valid targets" excludes other players. So.. I am hopeful for no more accidental murde... errrr "accidents" on the lesser fortunate victims when I'm AOEing the room full of bandits. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guilty of it!



There will also be brand new deity specific messaging for almost every aspect of this spell. A big thank you to GM Xayle, GM Thandiwe and GM Sindin for their creative assistance in designing the deity specific messaging for this spell.

- I knew there were reasons to love Xayle!


The only other questions I have (that are valid since you won't go into numbers) are:

1) Will we get a free fixskills with this change coming?

2) Is there any possibility or chance for some training things to get a little less expensive? In my opinion, it's almost a little unrealistic to think a paladin that's 50 trainings would be able to learn this spell and be able to live - let alone when you do cap since I think a good chunk of us learn up to at least Minor Spiritual Circle 120 (leser shroud). Especially given that a lot of these require lore to really use these as intended. Even if a few things were just - 1 mental point here or there, would be a HUGE difference to make this more possible.

And finally:

3) Is there a chance to get this released during a storyline?

Again - Thank you very much to everybody that worked hard to make this possible. I am super excited, but filled with many questions!

__________________________
- Kobold in Disguise Falvicar, Blade of the Night

You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at Sevynne!

* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, it uses the new Standard Maneuver Roll system that 917 Boil Earth uses.

You will soon be able to rival the arkati themselves with your new found powers!

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Yeah, I know.... just would be super cool if used against one of Kenstrom beasties :-)


Right now I'm trying to think of how the below would been more epic if 1650 were also in play. This is everything all out.. zealot / crusade / etc... minus Spirit Strike. <grin>



You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at a major glacei!
AS: +611 vs DS: +250 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +32 = +433
... and hit for 194 points of damage!

Your black veil iron katana surges with power as darkness coalesces around it!

... 60 points of damage!
The deep blue glow emanating from the major glacei goes dark suddenly.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a major glacei.
You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at a major glacei!
AS: +611 vs DS: +182 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +63 = +532
... and hit for 264 points of damage!
The deep blue glow emanating from the major glacei goes dark suddenly.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a major glacei.
You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at a giantman bandit!
AS: +611 vs DS: +328 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +97 = +419
... and hit for 129 points of damage!
Powerful slash leaves the giantman bandit without a right leg!
A giantman bandit falls to the ground grasping his mangled right leg!
The giantman bandit is stunned!

Your black veil iron katana surges with power as darkness coalesces around it!

... 5 points of damage!
Minor burns to left arm. That hurts a bit.

As you hit, the edge of your black veil iron katana seems to fold inward upon itself drawing everything it touches along with it!
... 25 points of damage!
Neck erupts in a gory spurt of blood!

A nebulous dome of blue ether discharges from a silver-edged black veil iron katana and engulfs a giantman bandit!

... 15 points of damage!
Decompression causes muscles in leg to snap!
... 20 points of damage!
Sternum snaps followed by many ribs!
You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at a giantman thug!
AS: +611 vs DS: +297 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +51 = +404
... and hit for 143 points of damage!
Slash to the giantman thug's ribs opens a sucking chest wound!

[You have 2 kills remaining.]
The giantman thug falls to the ground and dies.
A giantman thug recovers from being rebuked, regaining her composure.
You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at a giantman robber!
AS: +611 vs DS: +277 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +55 = +428
... and hit for 111 points of damage!
The giantman robber is backed up by a strong slash to her abdomen!
The giantman robber is stunned!
Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
R>
[ MStrike Cooldown: +0:01:00, 0:00:59 remaining. ]

__________________________
- Kobold in Disguise Falvicar, Blade of the Night

You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at Sevynne!

* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

The katana has greater void flares. The darkness flare is the Ronan version of Crusade.

Mind you, I'm post cap and with Sunfist.. but if you're curious on the current training:

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 300 200
Combat Maneuvers...................| 300 200
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 300 200
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 190 90
Physical Fitness...................| 200 100
Dodging............................| 200 100
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Spirit Mana Control................| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 205 105
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 70 15
Perception.........................| 200 100
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 50
Training Points: 41 Phy 0 Mnt (710 Phy converted to Mnt)
__________________________
- Kobold in Disguise Falvicar, Blade of the Night

You swing a silver-edged black veil iron katana at Sevynne!

* Sevynne drops dead at your feet!
* Sevynne just bit the dust!

>>Any chance we could make sure ONSLAUGHT works with hurl?

+10,0000

~ The girl behind Debia
****
Check out my website: www.ElanthianEvents.com
Find me on Facebook: www.facebook.com/AngelofSharath