On my monk on my other account I noticed that his AvD was stuck at 34 no matter what weapon was swung at h im (by me or by critters). He is level 14 with 15 ranks of ML: Transformation which should have given him AsG 9. None of the weapons swung at him should have had an AvD of 34, heck several of the weaopns didn't even have an AvD of 34 listed for any armor. I used a 2 hander axe, 2 hander sword and a quarter staff all fresh from Tykel's and critters swung a halberd and a broadsword at him.

The problem might lie in the fact that I'm dropping ML:Transformation ranks after spelling up, then forgetting and mixing in casts of 1202 with a lower AsG. However none of the 2 handers or the halberd even has an AvD of 34 against any type of leather so its not that its just dropping down to a lower AsG on subsequent casts with less ML: Transformation lore. Its dang odd.

I bugged it in game under magic systems.

Yeah I did a buncha testing and I'm gettin:

AsG 7 stuck at 35 AvD

AsG 8 stuck at 34 AvD

AsG 9 stuck at 38 AvD

This is for all weapon types and attacks. So I'm guessing 1202 is working correctly and there is a larger armor/avd problem with the combat system.

Something is still wrong. I don't know if you looked at the thread in the Developer topic in Hunting/combat, but AvDs while wearing actual armor have been off, not just monks using 1202. And setting aside the Ironskin thing, it's still not right. Getting hit with a closed fist shouldn't be doing falchion level damage against double leather, much less slash damage. The same goes for getting hit with a minor shock bolt that does slash damage.

A week ago, weapons and such were giving the same AvDs against 1202 as they were against actual armor (17 fist avd vs double leather for example), and now it's resulting in a 34. I don't think that's right even for going totally without armor at all.

There may have been a bug fixed or something, but some things are broken.

I posted this over in Hunting and Combat, it illustrates what I'm talking about with the frozen AvD's for armor. People are saying there that its affecting not just 1202 armor, too. I agree since it happened without 1202 in my monk's AsG2 robes only.




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Here's a log with my level 14 Monk. I had his skills set up for a round of spelling up and testing. I did a skills full between each change in skill goals to ensure the relavent skills had migrated. It shows how incorrectly the AvD is behaving with 1202. I tried to swing a variety of weapons, you should be seeing the AvD different on every swing with each effective level of AsG from 1202. However even his base AsG 2 robes with no 1202 didn't have the correct AvD. I hope it helps.

I STOPped 1202 each time and recast to make sure it was accurate.


>skill full

Zabka (at level 14), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks

Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 66 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10

Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 25 5

Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 14


>
>stop 1202

With a moment's concentration, you terminate the Iron Skin spell.
You feel the tension in your skin ease and notice that your complexion returns to normal.

>prep 1202

You fold your hands and deeply intone a sonorous mantra, focusing your mind upon the Iron Skin spell...
Your spell is ready.

>cast

You gesture.
You feel your skin grow tight all across your body and your complexion takes on a leathery quality.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Iron Skin: +0:34:00, 0:34:00 remaining. ]

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<(At this point I’m wearing robes with 1202 up at level 14 monk with 5 ranks of ML: Transformation so it should be the equivalent of AsG 8, the AvD is stuck at 34 for all weapons)

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Aluvius swings a twohanded sword at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +26 = +19
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a quarter staff at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +50 = +43
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a cudgel at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +57 = -42
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a halberd at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +15 = -84
A clean miss.

>stop 1202

With a moment's concentration, you terminate the Iron Skin spell.
You feel the tension in your skin ease and notice that your complexion returns to normal.

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<(At this point I’m in robes with no 1202, the AvD seems stuck at 35)

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>
Aluvius swings a halberd at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +64 = -34
A clean miss.
>
Skill goals updated!

Zabka (at level 14), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24 24
Harness Power......................| 66 14 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10 10
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 25 5 0 0 minutes

Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 14 14

>
Aluvius swings a twohanded sword at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +96 = +90
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a cudgel at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +76 = -22
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a quarter staff at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +99 = +93
A clean miss.

>skill full

Zabka (at level 14), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 66 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10

Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 0 0


Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 14

>prep 1202

You fold your hands and deeply intone a sonorous mantra, focusing your mind upon the Iron Skin spell...
Your spell is ready.

>cast

You gesture.

You feel your skin grow tight all across your body and your complexion takes on a leathery quality.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Iron Skin: +0:34:00, 0:34:00 remaining. ]

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<(At this point I’m wearing robes with 1202 at level 14 monk with 0 ML Transformation with an equivalent AsG of 7, the AvD is stuck at 35. I had already stopped 1202 previously for the no 1202 test above so it’s a fresh cast).

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Aluvius swings a quarter staff at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +9 = +3
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a twohanded sword at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +42 = +36
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a halberd at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +89 = -9
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a cudgel at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +37 = -61
A clean miss.
>
Skill goals updated!

Zabka (at level 14), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24 24
Harness Power......................| 66 14 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10 10
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 70 15 15

Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 14 14

>skill full

Zabka (at level 14), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 66 14
Elemental Mana Control.............| 50 10
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 70 15


Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 14


>stop 1202

With a moment's concentration, you terminate the Iron Skin spell.
You feel the tension in your skin ease and notice that your complexion returns to normal.

>prep 1202

You fold your hands and deeply intone a sonorous mantra, focusing your mind upon the Iron Skin spell...
Your spell is ready.

>cast

You gesture.
You feel your skin grow tight all across your body and your complexion takes on a scaly quality.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[ Iron Skin: +0:34:00, 0:34:00 remaining. ]

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<(At this point I’m wearing robes and 1202 as a level 14 monk with 15 ranks of ML Transformation which should be equivalent to AsG 9. The AvD is stuck at 38.)

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>
Aluvius swings a broadsword at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +14 = -81
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a halberd at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +67 = -28
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a twohanded sword at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +35 = +32
A clean miss.
>
A rolton tries to bite you!
AS: +36 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +26 = -71
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a quarter staff at you!
AS: +130 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +97 = +94
A clean miss.
>
Aluvius swings a cudgel at you!
AS: +38 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +29 = -66
A clean miss.

ESTILD HATH SPOKETH!

Okay, thank you!

Droit

That really sucks that 1202 doesn't give AvD anymore. Monks already have DS issues as it is, especially since their expected spell training hurts their redux.

Iron Skin has never granted AvD or CvA.

We're definitely interested in feedback for Monks in terms of DS, TD, and dealing with swarms. For DS, most of the numbers we've looked at, they're able to hold their own.

GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team

It's a perception problem.
+ The perception--from the spell description--of the players is, "Cast this spell, you get this armor." That's how Sonic Armor/1014 works, after all.
+ The actuality of the spell is, "You are wearing robes. You dodge and move and defend, as though you were in robes. If you get HIT, though, your skin is so tough that you take less damage (as you you were in leather, or chain, or plate [at cap])."

I think that higher-level characters can vouch for the fact that the CvA benefits (in particular) at higher levels are one of the most vital [in the literal sense of the word, having to do with "life"] reasons behind wearing heavier armors. They be needing some of that pseudo-TD lovin', basically.

My recollection of the Minor Mental list is that while there is a progressive TD spell, a la 430/Elemental Barrier, Mind Ward/1208 tops out at 40. Which is just ducky, except that it's ten points less than Barrier and anyone with Barrier could very well be in [Enchanted] soft leather at the very least, leading to another effective ten points of pseudo-TD from the CvA progression. This says nothing of Bards in chain armor wearing the spell as a native caster, getting an additional twenty point CvA offset.

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Short version: Monks are going to be needing them some high-level TD lovin'.

I would suggest allowing Mind Ward to grow to a cap of sixty bonus (+60), rather than its existing cap of forty (+40), to allow for just such an offset. to be possible.

Droit

Maybe something changed between beta and prime, but..

Actually, you're right. It is intended to (and does) affect AvD, but not CvA.

GameMaster Estild
Cleric/Empath Team

Yeah, Estild just nerfed us by giving us the actual AvD's!!1!!! Tax revolt! Tax revolt! <puts on tri cornered hat and looks insane>