>I love the first day of releases :)

Eh. I'm not terribly happy that several bugs slipped through. I usually try to stick to a higher standard than that.

>Any possibility of using the non direct attack command (so like "qst 1 or -2" or whatever versus "qst 1 ambush other kobold") while in hard rt as it is more of an AIM or TARGET type preparation command before the actual cman, fire, mstrike, hurl, etc?

Unfortunately, there's actually a technical reason that makes this "hard" to accomplish (read: not going to happen without some backend changes). Sorry.

>1213 is not working with Quickstrike. This seems to be a bug?

Yup. A bug, in fact, for the past few years for every stamina-draining activity that routed through that particular utility. Fixed now.

Played around with this quickly on my paladin. I'll leave the warmage until a bit later since it's promising to be more complicated to understand in that case.

I'm a little confused about making THW cost 1.5x. I'm sure the rationale is "they hit harder" to which my reply is "yes and they already take longer to swing". I guess at the end of the day another formulation could have been made that treated one-handed and two-handed weapons both as 1.0x scaling but was a much more complicated formulation to get the same results which were target numbers staff were after.

For those wondering, my flail costs 20 stamina per second (7 second base RT). Thus 7*1.5=10.5 which is truncated to 10.

While an interesting ability, which will have me at least looking at my investment in Surge of Strength over the weekend (my paladins currently only expenditure of stamina most the time), it doesn't seem likely to be used very often. From what I can see, it is best with mstrike, since the RT reduction is the same whether I used KILL or MSTRIKE on my quick testing of it. So perhaps I will consider getting more MOC ranks for my paladin with his existing FIXSKILL, I'm unsure.

For instance, MSTRIKE for two targets takes me normally 7 seconds with my AGI/DEX. Reducing it by 2 seconds for 40 stamina is essentially like a 100% free swing. Between Rejuvenation (1607) and an ensorcelled weapon, perhaps I can get back enough stamina to make this more than something used two or three times per hunt.

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Coup not getting reduced RT or was my stamina too low to begin with?

J>quick 1 cman coup
You are beginning to feel a little fatigued.
[Roll result: 120 (open d100: 24) Bonus: 10]
You lunge towards the dwarven robber, intending to finish him off!
You make a vicious slash with your razor-edged knuckleblade at his abdomen!
Entrails are flung across the area as the dwarven robber's stomach leaks out onto the ground!

[You have 4 kills remaining.]
The dwarven robber falls to the ground and dies.
A faint silvery glow fades from around a dwarven robber.
A dwarven robber seems a bit less imposing.
Rolfard's complexion grows murkier.

The heady flush of your spectacular kill makes you feel invigorated!
You are beginning to feel a little fatigued.
Roundtime: 8 sec.

I think this is a great idea and has potential to really add some diversity to combat. However, I'm not sure I agree with the stamina costs just yet. It was mentioned that there could be a replacement for CMAN quickstrike and perhaps something that is evoked like surge of strength that directly reducing the stamina costs for quickstrike similar to Celerity or simply allows a free -1 or -2 RT before stamina costs start to be assessed. could work. Also, does TWC also get a 1.5x stamina cost like THW and Polearms? Might be an oversight if not.

>Am I right in thinking that UAC actions have speed 0 for qstrike stamina cost when barehanded/gloves, the weapon speed if used with a UAC compatible weapon in hand, and 0 if used with anything else (other weapons, shields, acantha leaf) in hand?

No, UCS attacks have speed 2 for jab, 3 for punch and grapple, and 4 for kick and smite. Held equipment has no effect.

>I'm a little confused about making THW cost 1.5x. I'm sure the rationale is "they hit harder" to which my reply is "yes and they already take longer to swing". I guess at the end of the day another formulation could have been made that treated one-handed and two-handed weapons both as 1.0x scaling but was a much more complicated formulation to get the same results which were target numbers staff were after.

You have it surrounded. We had certain target numbers and this was the most convenient formulation to get to that point.

>How does Quickstrike interact with Stamina Second Wind?

It doesn't.

>Coup not getting reduced RT or was my stamina too low to begin with?

Coup is valid for quickstrikes. You didn't post your stamina, but given the "fatigued" message I see, you were probably low.

>Does quickstrike impose any penalties to UAC like Haste used to? If the answer is no, how about with Celerity running?

Quickstrike, no. Celerity, maybe. I hadn't actually considered it yet. I'm leaning no, but am not yet certain.

>Sorry guys and gals but I think I have identified an issue with the Duskruin 5-bolt crossbows.

That's an item script issue. BUGITEM it (doing so basically copies the item for staff reference), and it'll be routed to the script owner.

Forgive me if this was already answered. But when I hide, and am waiting for my hide RT... I cannot set my quickstrike button for the next combat action, until the RT is ended? Any chance this can be made to allow us to set up our next quickstrike combat action while waiting for hide rt?

Aurach

Could uac be suffering a twc penalty?

Speeds can be found on GSwiki or play.net Just look at the details by weapon type.

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Weapon
http://www.play.net/gs4/info/armory/weapons.asp

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>Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
>Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

Boo Menos. BOO

Besides being unbelievably mathematically contrived, melee 'haste' is now available to every class for a price. Will I miss hide 1 sec kill 1 sec repeat from a wizard in the party or magical trinket? WITHOUT A QUESTION! Am I free to pull off that trick on my own once a hunt? YES and maybe even twice, which means I lose a party benefit for a much smaller self benefit. The outcome? PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!

In case it's helpful, I added a page to the wiki with a big ol' table of weapon speeds, here:

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Weapon_speeds

(feel free to edit that page if you [royal you] think of an improvement)


I also added some css for alternating row colors and a hover color on tables, you just have to add the class alternating or hover to your table (you can use one, the other, or both), like this:

{| class="wikitable sortable alternating hover"
...your table rows...
|}

Ixix

>You weren't doing an mstrike with the cman. Or getting any control over the amount of RT reduction, or using it with anything other than a scant handful of unaimed attacks. The costs for doing all that are naturally higher. The CMan still exists for now if you want the lesser-stamina old behavior.

There's no point keeping the CMan for anyone that had 1 or 2 ranks, but anyone with more ranks will find themselves considerably worse off without it.

As far as I can tell spears will always be at speed 5 for QUICKSTRIKE, and tridents will either be 5 or 6, depending on your GRIP. I've updated the table to reflect that. Thanks for pointing that out!

Ixix

>Please confirm shield equipment speed table:

Correct.

>awesome, I can multiply by 2. Take that, Mark!

Pretty soon you'll be able to walk whilst chewing your bubble gum :D

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So for anyone that cares after some testing , and assuming the qstrike forumal truncates.

Short bows have a speed of 3
Composite bows have a speed of 5
Long bows have a speed of 4

just curious, why are longbows faster than composite bows?

Yeah - I checked those values for bows and as far as I can tell you are correct, and I updated the table. I copied the values for the table from the various weapon pages on the main site that were linked, and I've had to check and update a few of those values as people have spotted issues. I didn't catch that the site lists the 'ranged weapon speed' which is not exactly the same thing.

I do not know why the composite bow seems to have a slower speed than a long bow. I will bring it up with the rest of the team.

Ixix

>Seems to be UAC specific. Happened with kick and jab as well, but I couldn't replicate it with a dagger, katar, fist, or bow.

Thanks, fixed.