Sounds like you lost it in minos where the area's a maze and there's no way of knowing what room you're in.... I'd just pay the adventurer's guild to find it for me if that's the case. Otherwise, get an empath or cleric to cast 213 for you while you search. Having a secondary weapon you can pull out in case yer disarmed is also a good idea.

I'll take the disarm mechanics as they are today over what they used to be in a heartbeat, was far too easy to lose yer items forever back then.


Starchitin, the OG

A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.

<Had I a need to guess, I would estimate that every single one of me routinely carries 3-5 weapons.>

Which would explain the never-ending list of things to be ensorcelled..... ::flees::

Starchitin, the OG

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>>It does seem like with the change to disarm to make it item-loss friendly, disarm actually got a lot more frustrating for anyone who doesn't worry as much about losing the item, as just getting back to hunting. Having to kneel down and search for 30-60 seconds is rough and annoying.

So far I've personally never have had to search for more than 10 seconds or so. I'm very curious to hear the circumstances where it requires 30-60 seconds beyond being a special area where there are mazes. Then it's best to just be prepared if you are having any doubts.


~Aulis
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Aulis, I think what they mean is they have to search 3-4 times at 10 seconds each. Not one search for 10+.

Yeah, maybe my perception sucks, but my sorcerer almost always has to search at least 3 times, sometimes more than 6 times, at 10s each.

<<Aulis, I think what they mean is they have to search 3-4 times at 10 seconds each. Not one search for 10+.

And that's what I meant, too. I've RARELY had to search more than one time at 10 seconds for that one search.


~Aulis
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Thinking about this in terms of a potential solution (on the assumption having to search for your weapon for 50+ seconds is not really intended.)

I believe the intent of the current disarm mechanic was to effectively take away the weapon for a period of time (because you were... disarmed) and to put the character at some risk if they want to recover it during the combat / force some effort to retrieve it above and beyond 'GET WEAPON'.

The current mechanic effectively makes the weapon unusable for the remainder of the combat for most characters (opinion mine) which may have been a design intent or an unintended consequence. Personally, I think it makes combat more interesting in this scenario if the character is able to recover their weapon during the combat with some risk while doing so (thinking back to all those movie scenes where the hero is disarmed but is able to make the cool manuever and recover their weapon and eventually win the day).

Perhaps changing the current mechanic such that you will always find the weapon on your first attempt but the time spent could vary between a few seconds (well-trained, good RNG roll) up to 20 seconds (no training and bad RNG roll) might be a good middle ground. With this mechanic, a well trained character may risk the time to recover their weapon during combat vs. pulling out a spare and we aren't overly penalizing the poorly trained character too harshly for recovering their weapon once the combat it already over.

Thinking about this a bit further, one of the modifiers to weapon recovery time probably should be if the character is still in combat or not.

One last thought I had after typing the above: Maybe recovering your weapon during combat isn't automatic but definitely has a shorter duration with training so that it does add to the combat excitement but recovery when there is no combat taking place would then be automatic with a longer Round Time (watching my wife search for her weapon 5+ times outside of combat doesn't add much to either of our gameplay experience.)

Just my two silvers worth.

-- Robert

>> A mongrel kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"

<Typically 1x perception is recommended for all characters across all classes, from what I understand. I would think that would at least be the very baseline, but then again, I'm also not a DEV GM. But I feel you're kinda shooting yourself in the foot by not training in it.>

+100 to this. Perception costs so little and pops up in so many systems I consider a minimum of 1x in it to be mandatory for every profession regardless of build. Trying to play without it just makes too many things unnecessarily frustrating.

Starchitin, the OG

A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.

>> Coddling because the choice was made not to train in skills that help offset some of this pain? Not a fan.

1) I don't have a lot invested in this discussion overall other than I do think the no training scenario is a little over the top. Most of my characters train at least 1x in perception or more and the one that doesn't does so for RP reasons.

2) Where do you think the reasonable weapon recovery time frame falls for someone that has no training in perception Doug? 10 seconds? 60 seconds? No chance at all? Is 'still in combat' a factor in what you would deem as reasonable? I don't feel my suggestions rose to the level of 'coddling' but am curious as to where you are coming from with your assessment. Or maybe it was a more general statement and not directed at my suggestions at all?

Not a fan of coddling myself. Also not a fan of mechanics that seems overly clunky either. Having to search out of combat 5+ times simply to pick up a weapon laying on the ground feels like a somewhat broken implementation. I get the idea and intent, just not a fan of the way it plays out on the extreme end.

I do agree that training 1x is a cheap and easy solution to the issue in general even if I do feel there are some opportunities to improve on the current implementation.

-- Robert

>> A mongrel kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"

>> You're asking me, the (remaining?) original droppage, get an army and recover your stuff king, what would be reasonable here? :)

Heh. I actually miss those days. Those were some fun times. The current janitor would have to be lined up and executed by an archer firing squad before I would want to revisit them though.

-- Robert

>> A mongrel kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"

FWIW, my sorcerer that regularly needs 30-60s to find a disarmed weapon, is level 40's with .5x perception. It's really not a big problem for me. But there's just a bit of a disconnect in how punishing this one maneuver is vs most other maneuvers (and in some sense also vs how it was before, though potential item loss made it punishing in a different way).

I agree that I don't get this whole disarm is more punishing than other maneuvers thing. It doesn't kill you instantly like many other maneuvers. Of course I concede it can lead to death depending on conditions in your hunting ground, but surviving being disarmed is very possible.

If the beef is the it takes too long and it's too dangerous to recover your weapon aspect, there are multiple ways to mitigate that. Use e-bladed plain weapons in disarm areas that you don't care about recovering. Or pay the AG to recover it for you. I don't think the silver cost is prohibitive from what I've heard, but I could be wrong on that.

There is also the good old classic of stay out of areas that contain maneuvers which have potential consequences you deem punishing or overpowered. This isn't isolated to disarm. I always find it funny when people say something along the lines of "I've died 8 hunts in a row in that hunting area." I always wonder why they went back after the second or third death. I guess we're all stubborn in our own ways. I mean, we are playing a decades old text-based game, so there's that.