This hunting range in WL is horrific.

You have the Stronghold, which has too many lethal open roll SMR attacks, full stop - you will randomly die on the regular there. I dare any GM to go hunt it for a few weeks and say otherwise.

You have the first area of Red Forest, which is extremely easy but you get dispelled incessantly by flying critters that are invulnerable to some training paths until they descend and attack you, i.e. you will get dispelled a ton. It's like an 'annoying' tax - not a good way to design an area.

You have the second area of Red Forest, which will RT lock you unto death. It's laughable. Again I dar any GM to go hunt it for a few weeks and say otherwise.

These areas should be re-examined. This game is too small to have such a large, terrible hunting situation in the primary zone of the game. I invite the GMs to consider a.) toning down the insta-death in Stronghold, toning down the dispels in red forest, and completely re-designing the disaster that is the 2nd area of Red Forest.

I'm sure this will provoke devil's advocate discussions from players and that it will be ignored by GMs, but hey I thought I'd try.

<<You have the Stronghold, which has too many lethal open roll SMR attacks, full stop - you will randomly die on the regular there. I dare any GM to go hunt it for a few weeks and say otherwise.

I hunted there on there regular with an open archer rogue and I didn't die on the regular from SMR attacks. Maybe once a week or so.

<<You have the second area of Red Forest, which will RT lock you unto death. It's laughable. Again I dar any GM to go hunt it for a few weeks and say otherwise.

Hunted there too on the regular with the same rogue as above. Didn't die very much.


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"I am instantly killed more often than that by stone fist or EF open rolls. Between 1005, feint, stun, and (often) 3 second swings with Tonis up, I don't think it would be possible to minimize their casting windows more than I do short of 703 or a character with enough stam regen to maintain permanent hard-RT." -- Zennsunni

I was in that area when Boil Earth became Earthen Fury. For the record, I still feel that 2s cycles on the spell are too fast.

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1) Lead with VibeChant. I literally cannot count the number of times the hidden Tonis-benefiting Ambushing characters did NOT even get in a swing--never mind a death shot--because the target died from their weapon blowing up. That was me "scaling back" so as not to lay waste to everything with Disruption, so as not to tick off the folks I was hunting with.

2) Disruption is now NOT dangerous to passersby (so long as you do not use 'evoke'), so... yeah.

> instantly dying to open rolls every 3-4 hunts is.

This is where I live now after the SMV2alphabet soup stuff got changed in/out/whatever.

I moved back to the East to be able to hunt again. Which pretty much broke Luxie's heart. And ... she's capped. With excellent armor.

I cannot figure out how to defend against these new death traps of maneuvers that plague the Sanctum at all.

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The high-60s-"ish" is when I started looking at yeti & dwellers & lesser minotaurs, too. I think I mostly stayed in the Stronghold from force of habit, but it was a good killing.

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I logged into the Test server several weeks ago and gave myself a couple million post-cap experience to see the difference that a bunch of ranks would make. Maxing out Perception (just over singled), CMan (just under singled), and Shield Use (not even half-singled... I'm a caster) since I routinely have to face Shield Bash & Shield Charge in Reim, did make me substantially safer.

<3) Choice is a lot poorer post 65. There will be ranges where your race/class/build does not stack up well against anything. It won't be in the same range for everyone, but I've yet to cap a character without a major timeout along the way.>

Very much this. When I saw the OP my initial thought was "you think the options suck now, wait til you're 85-95"... but couldn't think of a constructive way to express that at the time. The entire range of levels from 65ish-95ish needs more choices and has needed it since the conversion from GS3 to GS4.... but the 85-95 range by far needs it the most and had gotten the least amount of attention.

My level 94 rogue hasn't hunted since around level 89 cause it's such a royal PITA to get to any place he can hunt. With my sorcerer, I'm giving serious thought to having him pick up a couple levels via forging once he can no longer learn from Plane 3... cause Plane 5 quickly led to him raining down in Icemule both times I tried hunting with him there and I'll stop playing altogether before hunting in EN again.

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<<Hunted there too on the regular with the same rogue as above. Didn't die very much.>>



While dying is usually a less than fun part of the game, the difficulty of the area isn't my complaint, it's the way the growls, and to a lesser extent, maneuvers, of the direbears and direwolves can make a PC unable to move for several minutes at a time. If you don't relate to the issue from your own experience, spend some time watching other hunters who engage the area solo.
What is normal is for a character to go in, well prepared, and to need to kill the denizens of the area very quickly, because of the many RT inducing moves they have, and frequently use. If a single direbear or direwolf gets off a single growl (warcry), a character can find themselves in 20 seconds of RT, more than enough time for the direbear to repeat that move, stacking onto the existing RT, and for other creatures to wander in, to do more of the same. When my character dies in there, it's usually with 30+ seconds of RT. I truly like a lot about this area. It looks like it should be fun, but the RT stacking is far too frequent a problem. I don't mind hitting a tough place where a character facees defeat more often, but character inability to act for prolonged periods isn't good game design.
My suggestion? Change the RT for the Bertrandt's Bellow effect of these growls to something more like other spell and maneuver RT. Characters can only be affected by one e-wave or feint at a time; What logic determines that warcries should stack?

"If you are put into 20 seconds of RT, then 10 seconds later are put into another 20 seconds of RT, you should be in (worst case) 20 seconds of RT (the greater of your current RT vs. the attack RT), not 30 seconds of RT (the 20 seconds stacking onto the existing 10). The current mechanic where RT stacks on into infinity is a broken mechanic in my opinion." -- Other-Robert

MY opening bid was, "like eWave", so if you are already suffering under it, you do not get hammered with more.

Additive-to-worst was the middling position that I thought was most acceptable to GMs (down from straight additive, as it is now) but yet still tolerable to players.
(Mind you, this still means that you can wait it out all the way down to "...wait 1 second" and then get hit by another 20--which has happened to me, in Reim, just recently--so you only net 39 out of 40. But at least it wasn't ALL of the 40.)

No, we never saw any GMs responding that a fix was inbound. And I think we never even saw anything that it was even contemplated, but it may have been because they're working on CMans right now anyhow.