Mine doesn't have anywhere near the same skill, but have you tried Fire Rain yet? I'm sure you could cast it, walk away to make it dissipate, then cast it somewhere else or return. Idk how well that would teach, tho.

The best method to train with Fire Rain would be by setting down a strong zephyr so that it blows it away. (Also do this in a non-justice zone unless you want to stack up a ton of fines.)

Rimefang works pretty well too, as does Ring of Spears. For now I usually cycle through a couple different spells on my script because in Magic 3.0 it's been said that training magics via one spell only method is not going to be effective.

---

Which would be worse? To live as a monster or to die as a good man?

Yep, fire rain while powerwalking works well. I usually do this if I powerwalk and cast fire rain.

Have my leopard out so that I don't have to worry about mana levels in the rooms as much.

move to new room
perceive
prep fire rain at 20 mana
wait for full prep
cast
check exp
move on

This gives your leopard time to catch up.

<<Adding to this, the biggest time sink for magic skills is Arcana. I hate training it. Even charging 24 mana at a time into my cambrinth, it takes forever to train.>>

<<Can we please have some new methods?>>

Seriously. Arcana is atrocious to train right now.

>Can we please have some new methods?

I think new Enchanting will help with this. Supposedly the hard to make items will require high Arcana to use.


Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>I read somewhere that charging your cam with anything more than 11 mana is a waste

After 11 mana there are decreasing returns, but you still learn more with more mana. If you can charge regularly with a higher amount, and are getting near min roundtime, you're probably going to learn more Arcana.


Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

<<I have ZERO problem training Arcana>>

Is Kart=Kartaan, magic-tert ranger? That may play a role in why arcana is easier to train for you. My experience w/magic prime certainly doesn't match up.

I use focus moonbeam, which I can cast at 120 mana, with a camb orb, in order to get as many "charges" in as possible without the more-wasteful "focus" in there. I've tried this in the range of 10x11 charges and 4x29 charges. I've settled at 6x18 as it seems to be the fastest to "lock." It's a matter of balancing the slight improvement you get from > 11 mana charges against extra wasted roundtime of "focus" coming from hitting the cap of your camb/spell.

It's still terrible and takes considerably more time than any other magic for me to train.

Yeah, I get mostly 5 and sometimes 6 second roundtimes with charging at 24 mana. I picked 24 because it goes into my orb an even 6 times.

The amount of extra exp isn't much but I tried doing 12, 12 mana charges into the orb and it takes at least as long if not longer to train. I guess I need to time it sometime and see for sure.

I started using 24 mana to charge in the late 500s or early 600s in arcana and it still sucked to train it then. Arcana is not too bad to train starting when you can always charge 11 mana with 5 second roundtime and have enough power perceive to support doing it fairly often. From then till about 500-600 ranks. Before and after this point, it's torturous.