The Ignite spell adds a touch of fire to your weapon to help you strike down your enemies. Ignite's effects will even bolster weapons that already have a certain variety of fire damage, though not to the extent that it enhances the mundane sort. Of course, given the spell's nature, its effectiveness can be lost in water or if the weapon strays from your hand.

This is a non-battle spell that can be cast on a single target. Non-battle spells have significantly longer preparation times than battle spells. It can be cast on some objects. It requires a minimum of five mana streams, and can expand to a maximum of one hundred mana streams woven into it. To begin to be able to cast this spell, you will need to reach the rank of a promising novice. By the time you have mastered this spell, you will be ranked as a genius in your abilities as a caster. It requires the Utility skill to cast effectively. Before you can learn this spell, you must know one of Fire Shards or Elementalism. It will also cost two spell slots.


How is this a non battle spell when the only practical use is in battle?

> How is this a non battle spell when the only practical use is in battle?

Why would you ever want a set it and forget it augmentation spell as a battle spell? All it means is that you're going to have to spend more mana to keep it up.

> Yet zephyr which has use in and out of combat is a battle spell?

I'd argue that this doesn't need to be a battle spell, but I can only think of three ways to become fatigued. Swimming, combat, and debuffs.

> It trains utility not augmentation, it has a short life span 3 roisean when I started using. So its not a set it and forget it spell.

You mean 4 minutes, and that would have been 2 minutes as a battle spell. The point is that battle spells cap out at 10 minute durations. Ignite is still on the low end, but it caps at 20 minutes right now.

> at 13 mana (max at skill) I get 6 roisaen.

You would only get 3 minutes if it were a battle spell. Mana doesn't go down. It would still take up to 100 mana to cap, but the duration and prep time would.

> Es is a non battle as well yet a 10 mana (Max at skill) cast nets me 14 roisaen. seem a little skewed to me.

Some are shorter. Some are longer.

Click through the warding, utility, and augmentation spells here: https://elanthipedia.play.net/Category:Battle_spells

Ask yourself if shorter durations are really worth the shorter cast time. I don't think they are.

my point exactly being a non battle spell the duration is wacked 4 minutes / 20 minutes compare to all others that are 10 to 40

> I think bless is non-combat though.

Bless is probably it's own beast since it's a utility clerics give out. The # of strikes / bless makes it innately limited. Reducing the duration to 10 minutes instead would neuter non-clerics trying to hunt undead.

> if so, a change should be considered.

Battle spells for something that you can pre-set and pre-plan seem like a very poor user experience. I don't really see a reason why anyone would want their abilities nerfed solely for ideology.

huh I read your earlier post about zephyr incorrectly. I thought you were saying it's only use is in combat, but is a non-combat spell. It still has uses out of combat. People do stuff that take fatigue hits that aren't combat related(clerics/empaths). Noxious clouds come from box traps.

I'm saying make ignite like bless (I'm agreeing with you, stop arguing)

with 400-ish relevant ranks, I get somewhat fair fire damage, random strikes with ignite.

>>Ignite isn't broken.

I don't think anyone is saying it's broken as much as offering a way to improve upon it.

I can see value in wanting the effects of ignite to be strike-based vs duration-based.

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It's hard to compare Ignite to other spells, since so few of them buff weapons. We do have a couple to compare it to, though.

Ignite - 2 slots, 20 minute max duration, not a battle spell.
Resonance - 2 slots, 40 minute max duration, not a battle spell.
Rutilor's Edge - 2 slots, 40 minute max duration, battle spell.

The discrepancy may be that the elemental damage of Ignite is considered superior to the other spells, or it may just be that Ignite is out of whack compared to the other two. Personally, if I had to pick between a 40 minute max duration and having it be a battle spell, I'd choose the first. I'd rather know that it's going to last as long as my other buffs than have it be a battle spell. Because, honestly, if things have gone south and I'm caught unprepared, Ignite is far from the first thing I'm going to want to throw up anyway.

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> Battle Spell buffs are in a rough spot. The Durations are SOO short that you HAVE to dump a ton of mana into them, and that generally means you're spending more time then the abreviated prep to efficiently gather the mana. I'd just as soon see all 'buff' spells be standard/ritual spells personally, save the 'battle' class for debilitation/anti-ward utility/dispelling

I agree with this. I don't think buffs should be battle spells due to the way DR handles buffs. It's not something you want to be casting a lot, and if it falls off in combat (and you're relying on it) then you're already dead.

I think debilitation spells and spells without a duration should be the benchmark for battle spells (ie: TM in general, Ward break, Elyhaar's feast)

Is there a reason why the targeted version, that only casts on those who are engaged with you, results in a fine while in justice zones? I could understand why the CAST AREA version would do so, because it's reckless but having the same effect with the targeted version is a major annoyance. Especially during auto-invasions when the justice isn't dropped.