The official stance seems to be "Play and find out" for titles they didn't publish from what I've seen in other forums. However, there's a couple on our official list I'd love to see fixed, like the double listing for Treasurer with different requirements, and Shopkeeper being a circa-60th title instead of 100th.

On a related note:

http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Category:Trader_Titles

I've spent a decent chunk of time trying to figure them out. Everybody should feel free to edit any blank ones with what you know. If you don't know how to, then post your data here and I can do it. If you have titles that aren't listed there, create the page for them or if you don't know how post them here.

What I have found, is the Examiner / Evaluator titles are strictly appraisal based. There's a set of titles that are Charisma based, but the only one I managed to nail the number down for is Platinum Tongue at 50. There are circle-based titles that aren't included in the "official list" like Blockade Runner at 70th.

Two that I'm pretty sure of, but not certain are Impresario at 200 vocals and Prospector at 200 Mech, so if anybody has data pointing otherwise for those let me know.

-Azhag

a few of them may be weapon-related or stealth-related because i have them if i do the fake trader title with my thief.
among them also you have a few that have been omitted:

Gladiator Agent
Master Mariner <must have a boat>
Loan Shark
Merchant Marine <must have a boat>
Reckoner
Trader Thug
Trafficer
Fly-By-Night
Embezzler
Moeny Launderer
Loan Shark
Black Market Trader
Black Merchant

>Merchant Marine <must have a boat>

This is my list. I have Merchant Marine, but I don't have a boat. Have you ever rented a Langenfirth-Riverhaven boat on Bagsodoks? If he doesn't have Merchant Marine try renting it and see if that opens it up.

Initiate Trader, Apprentice Trader, Journeyman Trader, Trader, Expert Trader, Master Trader, Hauler, Teamster, Traveler, Costermonger, Hawker, Cashier, Longshoreman, Peddler, Sutler, Emptor, Shipper, Lapidary, Corpse Hauler, Toastmaster, Bazaari, Chandler, Factor, Courier, Gemologist, Auctioneer, Speculator, Broker, Horse Trader, Retailer, Pawn Broker, Financier, Cambist, Investor, Manager, Executive, Accountant, Treasurer, Banker, Shopkeeper, Moneybags, Debt Collector, Beneficiary, Bondsman, Auditor, Creditor, Usurer, Big Shot, Trustee, Comptroller, Upper Crust, Errand Boy, Drover, Carter, Clerk, Dust Cloud, Caravaner, Importer, Exporter, Independent Contractor, Contract Caller, Blockade Runner, Apprentice Merchant, Amateur Haggler, Bargain Hunter, Bargain Seller, Tagger, Table Trader, Table Waiter, Junior Haggler, Salesman, Closer, Compromiser, Monger Friend, Market Trader, Haggler, Clothing Specialist, Marketing Expert, Skilled Haggler, Liquidator, Vendor, Middleman, Armor Specialist, Weapon Specialist, Inventory Analyst, Wholesaler, Advanced Haggler, Price Gouger, Merchandiser, Arms Dealer, Jobber, Dealer, Master Haggler, Shop Filler, Order Taker, Bidder, Commodity Trader, Floor Runner, Supplier, Bookkeeper, Floor Broker, Short Seller, Market Specialist, Commodities Specialist, Specialist, Arbitrageur, Consultant, Market Analyst, Bear, Bull, Venturist, Initiate Examiner, Initiate Evaluator, Apprentice Examiner, Apprentice Evaluator, Journeyman Examiner, Journeyman Evaluator, Shopping Enthusiast, Examiner, Evaluator, Expert Examiner, Expert Evaluator, Master Examiner, Master Evaluator, Inspector, Assessor, Grandmaster Examiner, Grandmaster Evaluator, Straw Boss, Debater, Lucky, Silver Tongue, Charismatic, Impresario, Golden Tongue, Platinum Tongue, Bookie, Barefoot Pilgrim, Repossessor, Arbitrator, Arranger, Merchant Marine, Tradesman, Agent, Decision Maker, Corporate Slave, Adoption Agent, Supervisor, Greedy, Prospector

>animal lore for yak rider maybe? he has 49 A.L.

That's what I was thinking, and probably for Horse Breeder and maybe Mule Tender also. Would you mind copy and pasting Schvartz's list of Trader titles? I just want to make sure I get all the spelling and capitalizations right. I've added the 10 titles that Bags had that I didn't to Elanthipedia.

-Azhag

Road Warrior, Jeweler, Advisor, Connoisseur, Dynamic, Odyle, Trader Thug, Gladiator Agent

Those are the titles I have that are not on the current list. Also from your list of titles, Azhag, I do not have debater, silver tongue, Impresario, Golden Tongue, or Platinum tongue. So possibly those all require some sort of musical skill since that is the only lore I don't have hundreds of lessons in besides animal lore which I only have 32 in.

Here's one I don't understand, Elite Merchant and Merchant.

Merchant is listed as 600 in Trading skill and 450 in Appraisal skill, yet you can have Elite Merchant before you reach these skills. This seems sort of backwards, doesn't it?

Now, I'm not sure what you need for Elite Merchant, but I have it, yet I do not have the Merchant title because I don't meet the Trading reqs for it....lol.

I have Merchant Marine, but for the life of me, I don't recall renting a boat (nor do I own a ship).

Here's mine for 96th circle with my stats and skills and my titles listed at the bottom. Hope it helps you some.

Strength : 40 Reflex : 40
Agility : 40 Charisma : 46
Discipline : 40 Wisdom : 30
Intelligence : 39 Stamina : 41

Circle: 96
Showing all skills that you have skill in.

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Shield Usage: 183 66% clear	Leather Armor: 80 07% clear
Light Chain: 169 73% clear	Heavy Chain: 142 81% clear
Light Plate: 56 92% clear	Heavy Plate: 78 77% clear
Parry Ability: 133 73% clear	Multi Opponent: 127 89% clear
Light Edged: 103 54% clear	Medium Edged: 139 99% clear
Heavy Edged: 143 95% clear	Twohanded Edged: 89 35% clear
Light Blunt: 44 39% clear	Medium Blunt: 132 86% clear
Heavy Blunt: 93 51% clear	Twohanded Blunt: 46 38% clear
Slings: 32 68% clear	Short Bow: 58 18% clear
Long Bow: 126 36% clear	Composite Bow: 134 50% clear
Light Crossbow: 41 43% clear	Heavy Crossbow: 45 37% clear
Short Staff: 39 84% clear	Quarter Staff: 33 57% clear
Pikes: 26 20% clear	Halberds: 22 19% clear
Light Thrown: 116 12% clear	Heavy Thrown: 49 64% clear
Brawling: 41 84% clear	Primary Magic: 18 34% clear
Harness Ability: 5 03% clear	Power Perceive: 2 54% clear
Magical Devices: 31 79% clear	Targeted Magic: 9 91% clear
Evasion: 173 87% clear	Climbing: 183 20% clear
Perception: 292 13% clear	Hiding: 174 98% clear
Lockpicking: 97 97% clear	Disarm Traps: 91 53% clear
Stalking: 134 33% clear	Stealing: 43 74% clear
First Aid: 96 54% clear	Foraging: 231 01% clear
Escaping: 41 26% clear	Skinning: 154 48% clear
Swimming: 183 08% clear	Scholarship: 365 01% learning
Mechanical Lore: 424 90% muddled	Appraisal: 426 56% dazed
Teaching: 141 36% clear	Trading: 565 24% clear
Animal Lore: 23 58% clear	Percussions: 112 60% clear
Strings: 115 87% clear	Winds: 112 32% clear
Vocals: 110 61% clear

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Initiate Trader, Apprentice Trader, Journeyman Trader, Trader, Expert Trader, Master Trader, Grand Master Trader, Hauler, Teamster, Traveler, Costermonger, Hawker, Cashier, Longshoreman, Peddler, Sutler, Muleskinner, Emptor, Shipper, Lapidary, Corpse Hauler, Toastmaster, Bazaari, Chandler, Factor, Courier, Gemologist, Auctioneer, Speculator, Broker, Horse Trader, Street Peddler, Retailer, Pawn Broker, Financier, Cambist, Investor, Manager, Executive, Accountant, Treasurer, Banker, Gemsmith, Partner, Capitalist, Entrepreneur, Backer, Economist, Magnate, Shopkeeper, Moneybags, Debt Collector, Beneficiary, Bondsman, Auditor, Creditor, Usurer, Big Shot, Trustee, Comptroller, Upper Crust, Errand Boy, Drover, Carter, Mule Tender, Clerk, Dust Cloud, Resident Trader, Caravaner, Importer, Exporter, Independent Contractor, Contract Caller, Blockade Runner, Delivery Merchant, Principal, Apprentice Merchant, Amateur Haggler, Provisioner, Bargain Hunter, Bargain Seller, Tagger, Table Trader, Table Waiter, Junior Haggler, Salesman, Closer, Compromiser, Monger Friend, Market Trader, Haggler, Clothing Specialist, Marketing Expert, Skilled Haggler, Liquidator, Vendor, Middleman, Armor Specialist, Weapon Specialist, Inventory Analyst, Wholesaler, Advanced Haggler, Price Gouger, Merchandiser, Arms Dealer, Jobber, Dealer, Master Haggler, Shop Filler, Distributor, Marketeer, Elite Merchant, Order Taker, Bidder, Commodity Trader, Floor Runner, Supplier, Bookkeeper, Floor Broker, Short Seller, Market Specialist, Commodities Specialist, Specialist, Arbitrageur, Consultant, Market Analyst, Bear, Bull, Venturist, Dealmaker, Takeover Artist, Seatholder, Initiate Examiner, Initiate Evaluator, Apprentice Examiner, Apprentice Evaluator, Journeyman Examiner, Journeyman Evaluator, Shopping Enthusiast, Examiner, Evaluator, Expert Examiner, Expert Evaluator, Master Examiner, Master Evaluator, Inspector, Assessor, Grandmaster Examiner, Grandmaster Evaluator, Reckoner, Legendary Examiner, Legendary Evaluator, Straw Boss, Debater, Lucky, Silver Tongue, Charismatic, Golden Tongue, Bookie, Skimmer, Horse Breeder, Yak Rider, Repossessor, Arbitrator, Arranger, Merchant Marine, Tradesman, Agent, Decision Maker, Corporate Slave, Adoption Agent, Supervisor, Greedy, Prospector, Cartel

Gidske

Alright, what is up with Barefoot Pilgrim?

This one does not appear to be related to circle or trading ranks. I lack it and so does the 117th circle Trader, yet the 80th and a 57th circle traders contain that title.

Gidske

here's exp all & info to go with the titles:


Shield Usage: 109 55% clear Leather Armor: 152 20% clear
Light Chain: 84 83% clear Heavy Chain: 21 43% clear
Light Plate: 46 74% clear Heavy Plate: 12 50% clear
Cloth Armor: 29 09% clear Bone Armor: 29 24% clear
Parry Ability: 70 34% clear Multi Opponent: 70 42% clear
Light Edged: 72 24% clear Medium Edged: 79 68% clear
Heavy Edged: 26 57% clear Twohanded Edged: 22 78% clear
Light Blunt: 20 40% clear Medium Blunt: 77 37% clear
Heavy Blunt: 20 46% clear Twohanded Blunt: 20 69% clear
Slings: 20 83% clear Staff Sling: 20 18% clear
Short Bow: 21 38% clear Long Bow: 23 45% clear
Composite Bow: 20 42% clear Light Crossbow: 72 77% learning
Heavy Crossbow: 20 10% clear Short Staff: 20 20% clear
Quarter Staff: 22 61% clear Pikes: 20 03% clear
Halberds: 21 82% clear Light Thrown: 23 56% clear
Heavy Thrown: 20 51% clear Brawling: 54 73% clear
Offhand Weapon: 21 25% clear Primary Magic: 20 63% clear
Harness Ability: 20 20% clear Power Perceive: 20 52% clear
Magical Devices: 52 74% clear Targeted Magic: 20 19% clear
Evasion: 130 14% clear Climbing: 148 81% learning
Perception: 161 01% learning Hiding: 163 18% thoughtful
Lockpicking: 76 46% learning Disarm Traps: 81 49% learning
Stalking: 132 70% learning Stealing: 118 30% pondering
First Aid: 89 72% clear Foraging: 76 51% clear
Escaping: 104 59% clear Skinning: 84 26% clear
Swimming: 100 39% clear Scholarship: 289 98% learning
Mechanical Lore: 183 63% learning Appraisal: 301 90% clear
Teaching: 245 71% learning Trading: 451 19% learning
Animal Lore: 49 15% clear Percussions: 50 48% clear
Strings: 36 52% clear Winds: 56 88% clear
Vocals: 98 92% learning

Strength : 26 Reflex : 30
Agility : 30 Charisma : 50 +
Discipline : 32 Wisdom : 30
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 30

The following titles of the Trader category are available to you:

Initiate Trader, Apprentice Trader, Journeyman Trader, Trader, Expert Trader, Master Trader, Grand Master Trader, Hauler, Teamster, Traveler, Costermonger, Hawker, Cashier, Longshoreman, Peddler, Sutler, Muleskinner, Emptor, Shipper, Lapidary, Corpse Hauler, Toastmaster, Bazaari, Chandler, Factor, Courier, Gemologist, Auctioneer, Speculator, Broker, Horse Trader, Street Peddler, Retailer, Pawn Broker, Financier, Cambist, Investor, Manager, Executive, Accountant, Treasurer, Banker, Shopkeeper, Debt Collector, Beneficiary, Bondsman, Auditor, Creditor, Usurer, Big Shot, Trustee, Comptroller, Errand Boy, Drover, Carter, Mule Tender, Clerk, Dust Cloud, Resident Trader, Caravaner, Importer, Exporter, Independent Contractor, Contract Caller, Blockade Runner, Apprentice Merchant, Amateur Haggler, Bargain Hunter, Bargain Seller, Tagger, Table Trader, Table Waiter, Junior Haggler, Salesman, Closer, Compromiser, Monger Friend, Market Trader, Haggler, Clothing Specialist, Marketing Expert, Skilled Haggler, Liquidator, Vendor, Middleman, Armor Specialist, Weapon Specialist, Inventory Analyst, Wholesaler, Advanced Haggler, Price Gouger, Merchandiser, Arms Dealer, Jobber, Dealer, Master Haggler, Shop Filler, Order Taker, Bidder, Commodity Trader, Floor Runner, Supplier, Bookkeeper, Floor Broker, Short Seller, Market Specialist, Commodities Specialist, Specialist, Arbitrageur, Consultant, Market Analyst, Bear, Bull, Venturist, Initiate Examiner, Initiate Evaluator, Apprentice Examiner, Apprentice Evaluator, Journeyman Examiner, Journeyman Evaluator, Shopping Enthusiast, Examiner, Evaluator, Expert Examiner, Expert Evaluator, Master Examiner, Master Evaluator, Inspector, Assessor, Grandmaster Examiner, Grandmaster Evaluator, Straw Boss, Debater, Lucky, Silver Tongue, Charismatic, Golden Tongue, Bookie, Skimmer, Corrupt, Extortioner, Cadge, Coinshaver, Switcher, Horse Breeder, Yak Rider, Barefoot Pilgrim, Repossessor, Arbitrator, Arranger, Tradesman, Agent, Decision Maker, Corporate Slave, Adoption Agent, Supervisor, Greedy, Prospector


I'm probably going to rank vocals to 100 later tonight, i'll let you know if that opens up platinum tongue.

I'll see if 50 animal lore opens up anything as well.

i'm curious with the trader "upper crust" title, i used to have that when i had a premium account. but i don't have it since i downgraded. do you have a premium acct gidske?

I got nothing at 200 First Aid today. No Animal Lore titles came until 20 ranks, which gave me Muleskinner, Mule Tender, Horse Breeder and Yak Rider. I was secretly hoping Mule Tender was 200 First Aid til I saw Gidske's data.

I accidentally figured out Moneybags. If you have 2000 Kronars on you it's available, at 1999 it's not. I need to check to see if it's the same number for Lirums or if it's 1600.

>My Plat trader has 224 in vocals, but doesn't have Impresario, Golden Tongue, or Platinum Tongue.

I didn't get Platinum Tongue until I hit 50 Charisma. I'd imagine Impresario and Golden Tongue also have Charisma reqs you haven't hit yet. How much does your plat Trader have?

>i'm curious with the trader "upper crust" title, i used to have that when i had a premium account. but i don't have it since i downgraded. do you have a premium acct gidske?

I have Upper Crust but not a premie. I'm wondering if it has to do with bank account maybe? I'll try offloading my coins to my one of my brother's characters later and see if it works, but my money is split between Haven, Crossing and Hibarnhvidar so it could take some time. Alternatively, I wonder if it might be Warrants related, does Bags have any out for him?

>I'm thinking that because she doesn't deal much with commodities or tables, there are some titles she's simply never going to get access to.

I stopped playing before the new titles came out, so when I did a commodities run for the first time a TON of titles became available, unfortunately I didn't record which ones. I tried doing a commod run on my friend's Circle 14 Trader that had never done them before and didn't get any new titles so there could be a circle or Trading req on them also.

>I suspect that Barefoot Pilgrim is tied to the contracts she has run- which is easily in the 1000s.

I have Barefoot Pilgrim, 6100something contracts run and a little over 2600 plat Kronars profit from them. I tried the logical thing today and put shoes on, but it was still available. I'm guessing it's not contract numbers because JFM90's TF Trader didn't have it and likely has a ton more ran than the rest of us. Judging by its location on the list, I'd guess it was non-Trading, non-Appraisal, non-Circle related but honestly have no clue at this point. I'm wondering if it's a "Must have less than X" type of requirement.

-Azhag

I got these titles at 40 Charisma:

Executive
Charismatic
Golden Tongue
Supervisor

GENT

no warrents. i had a couple up in muspar'i for a time but i cleared those up. Upper crust might be bank balance related, i don't have functionality for my bank book anymore though. I do have over 100 plats in most of the banks though.

>here's the "fake" ones available for my thief.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure I had the spelling right on all of the ones you added.

I got Corrupt earlier at 50 ranks of Stealing.

-Azhag

>Whatever that all means....but does anyone have a reason why Elite Merchant is gained before Merchant?

No idea yet, unless it's given by pure number of contracts run and you're expected to have the Merchant title before you hit that number?

I just got Cadge and Extortioner by getting my first warrant since the new title system came out. They didn't go away after surrendering and winning on an innocent plea, so I'm guessing they don't require an active warrant, just having broken the law.

-Azhag

Do you think Barefoot Pilgrim title involves having at least 10 ranks in Cloth Armor? That appears to be the only skill I'm missing that both the others have at least 10 in Cloth Armor. I was thinking Bone Armor, but Sortny shows no ranks in that skill.

Anyone else showing Barefoot Pilgrim without having Cloth Armor ranks?

Cloth Armor: 0 00.00%

Gidske

Trader with 0 ranks in cloth armor has the Barefoot Pilgrim title.

Hrm, don't want to give too much away...

Let's just say y'all are sort of on the right track, but sort of very not.

-GM Obseden
"To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."
"Anything's possible. Especially since I'm rewriting the system."

How about trading in all provinces or more than one?


Regards,

Sortny/Braunwen

my older trader has traded in all provinces and all outposts <although only 1 contract each for each of the fordedhar outposts - i don't like trading there. my young one in 2.<zolur & therengia>

<<Hrm, don't want to give too much away...

Let's just say y'all are sort of on the right track, but sort of very not.>>

For some reason, this came to mind:

Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.

Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE TITLE IS!