Any chance on a trader spell that does a save vs will or something against would be thieves? Spell contest could result in a few different things, the thief overcomes spell and picks as normal, thief doesn't overcome spell but thinks he has gotten some coins/gems, and thief terribly fails against spell and actually pays his coins to the intended target? The spell could perhaps message the trader of the attempt, or not, I really don't mind either way in this regard.

Thief slips his hand quietly into Trader's pockets and withdraws some coins.

Thief slips his hand quietly into Trader's and withdraws some coins, only to watch in dismay as they disappear into a wisp of smoke .

Thief slips his hand quietly into Trader's pocket and withdraws some coins. Moments later Thief blinks in confusion realizing their own coin purse is lighter than they remember.

I like the idea of exploding coins, personally. I want there to be more than wisp. I want a light show.

Meh. Just make it a skill check. The trader version of hands of justice.

>Further, when you start adding damage would it not move over to targeting instead of utility? The fact that stealing already opens up pvp if trader wants is enough, a spell that blows open a thief would likely warrant retaliation in return.

You know, I'm not really sure how a DR time bomb spell would work. I want to say it would actually be utility since you're not targeting an enemy, debilitating something, or augmenting something (...I guess we could make a vague end run argument that you were 'warding' your pockets for giggles), so I'd think it would be utility.

Or possibly a metaspell on an existing aug/uti/ward spell, like the WM weapons?

Variants of this idea keep being suggested, but I'm not motivated to develop them. Why? Because we already have Hand of Justice which is overwhelming seen as a niche and pointless spell. Why would we want to make the lunar version of it?

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>Variants of this idea keep being suggested, but I'm not motivated to develop them. Why? Because we already have Hand of Justice which is overwhelming seen as a niche and pointless spell. Why would we want to make the lunar version of it?

So we can watch thieves and traders explode duh Raesh. ; )

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> Further, when you start adding damage would it not move over to targeting instead of utility?

Why do you need damage? When I say exploding coin, I don't mean blowing off an arm. I mean an explosion of light. Knocks out of hiding. Perhaps a stun. Perhaps clinging to the individual nerfing hiding and thievery and alerting the guards?

Paladins are broke and paying attention.

Traders with caravans are neither of these things.

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> Speculate coin is unlikely to survive the conversion to casterland.

Ability is gone, sure; however, we could use it as a spell that's a hybrid between TKT + shards and BG. You cast the spell to summon the coin (acts like shards created by moonies). You can gesture like BG to shoot one at someone (akin to the old speculate).

My point was that Traders on caravan routes had better be paying attention.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose