Moving carefully, you slip your hand into Erinenne's pockets and carefully grab a small clear topaz.
Roundtime: 2 second.
Erinenne saw you make the grab!
You come out of hiding.
JR>

Erinenne is informing you that she wishes to have no further interaction with you OF ANY KIND! She desires that the two of you go your separate ways and have no further contact.

(As soon as she says this, she runs to the trader guild to accuse me - I was still stalked, didn't even have time to stop stalking)

So, really, it wasn't about not wanting to RP, it was about her having her precious money stolen. I feel bad for thieves. Its tough finding people that will play the game.

The WARN command is good though. Saves the time wasted by a snert like Erinenne's player since, in the past, she probably reported a lot for what she considers harassment - and what I consider gameplay.

:oP Ragran

personally i wouldn't even use warn id just accuse you and continue on my way i have no sympathy id be surprised if you could find many traders that would have any.


I reject your reality and substitute my own!

finding sympathetic people to kick my arse is fun for me...its better than reaching for policy.

:oP Ragran

Warn is a non-rp tool to inform you of policy implications. Ie please stop or I will tell on you. since what you did is not actionable under policy, the ability to accuse remain. the warn verb DOES NOTHING other than make a record it was used.

It's an official (and logged) "please go away button"

The accusing to the guild is... well what normally happens.

so i wouldn't call it bad RP. I'd just call it someone who choses not to participate int he same style of RP as you.

>Course thats all true. My only point is it smacks of "spaz" when someone gets stolen from (no more often than anyone else, BTW), doesn't like getting stolen from so eliminates a thiefly threat, not by RPing, but by going policy, THEN actually accusing.

I know. was just pointing out that they didn't actually go all policy, cause well uhh.. Warn doesn't actually DO anything. But the spaz part I can see. Was just pointing out that DR is not RP enforced :P

<<I'm used to it...its just frustrating stealing from players that don't know how to RP

You only have to get stuck on the ferry once with no where to go and no place to hide with a couple of policy player pickpockets that are not interested in RP at all. Rather thay are interested in instigating PvP. Most have learned to just ignore theft and accuse as soon as possible.

IRL if I saw you breaking into my home, or my car, I would not interact with you. I would get what info I can and turn you in then call my insurance company.

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"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." ~~ G.O.

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keep repeatedly pointing, stealing, making derogetory remarks, This stuff does not happen much anymore but it used to be rampant on both the crossing and riverhaven ferries. repeatedly trying to steal from you even if they have blown any chances of getting any more coins.

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"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." ~~ G.O.

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Yea repeatedly stealing after caught is blatantly stupid.

And taunting to provoke is just wrong (I've never done that)...<whistles>

But Im gonna defend repeat pointing and stealing by referring to it as a mugging. Classless, primitive, but common. I was in Madrid recently and on a "subway" three guys walked casually over to a guy: one guy pressed their target flatly against the door (the poor victim didn't seem to notice),a second guy was kneeling infront of him pretending to wipe something off the cuff of the victim's pants reiterating over and over, "I'm sorry, sir, I didn't mean to get that on your pants" (in english btw), and a third guy dug his handS as deeply into the poor guy's pockets as he could till they were empty. I impulsively yelled at them and they ran off as the doors were shutting.

Unfortunately artistic muggings (as opposed to a traditionally quiet pickpocket) like that are hard to do here (come to think of it I can RP "while I'm stealing" a lot better than I've done), so repeat pointing (not till caught for a number of reasons), within reason, is okay with me. Its a style. Also it makes people more tentative about going back to the ferry...what if I do it again? That's good for the environment. Piers are often hazardous areas with rough folk.

:oP Ragran

IRL all three should go. IG all three should go (but that's probably a mechanical challenge)

:oP Ragran

Ewww...I dont like you or your logic.

:oP Ragran

Seems like the only piece of RP the trader does not like is the getting stolen from. It seems to be that he would "warn goblin" if he could.

Hopefully once we get to interact with people in hiding without having to point (someday! someday!), it'll cut down on the whole point-hide-steal, point-hide-steal thing. Cause you won't need to point.

It'll certainly be nice for thieves, and it'll cut down on mechanical contrivance.

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Marksman Ahmir Nam'al

"Is glas iad na cnoic i bhfad uainn."
-Distant hills look green.

If I were a thief, the Trader's action of reporting the incident to the Traders' Guild and then using an IN-GAME procedure to deal with the "interaction" would mean that the previous WARN is no longer in effect.

I think it is an abuse to use WARN for just one interaction. While some may play at repeated pointing, stealing, taunting (or any combination of two or more of those) and deserve a WARN for been disrupting to another player (in my opinion), catching a stealer ONCE should not be proper use of WARN.

If you aloud warn to be used automatically and for any reason or class of incidents, you will find WARN included into scripts in order to make AFK'ers harder to detect.

By the way... tells us the name... he or she should become... popular.


(Snickers to himself)
Guardsman Vieque Enpaz

1. I wasn't AFK scripting when this incident happened. The whole thing happened in less than a minute after he pointed me out and I got him in my pockets on the third try.

2. This is the third time a week and a half specifically Ragran has pointed me out of hiding on, or at the dock for, the Leth ferry, both times I told him to stop and he didn't. I even told him not to even think about it one time when he searched around and found me, but he did it anyway, and this is the fourth time in my lifetime in the realms that he's specifically done it to me anywhere in Zoulen whild trading.

3. I was told about the warn verb by a GM who did reccomend it for cases such as this where I have been repeated messed with by someone again and again. See point 2. They didn't say that I couldn't use IC systems as well to deal with it too if I had those options available.

4. I have been burnt by other thieves and snerts in the past who have actively "mugged" my character in the past on the ferries. So please, forgive me for being human, and being paranoid. Maybe I am a spaz, but how many other people would feel the same way in the same situation if they felt that helpless, in a real life scenario or in the game? I am a nice person but I do not want to feel helpless, I get enough of that in my real life on a daily basis, something I'm sure most of you will not understand. I do not want conflict and PvP because I find it pointless and not my definition of RP-ing, and usually end up getting victimized anyway, and unfortunately, that is the type of RPing Ragran wants. I do not want it. He knows now not to bother me, and hopefully he will leave it at that.

If this makes you all want to target me more, so be it, but this is the board not the game. Do us all a favor and not drag any problems you had with my reaction into the game because then it will be for an OOC reason anyway, and I will act accordingly.

I want to enjoy my time in the realms, and dealing with conflicts such as this feels more akin to the ninth circle of the underworld than something that I want pay money for. This is a second conflict I've had in a week that I've had to deal with, so if I am touchy and humorless, please understand that usually I am very agreeable when I'm not being messed with. Like any person, I have my buttons and he pressed one, severely. I would be extremely happy as an alterer making things for people and not playing a trader, but alas, that's not going to happen any time soon. I thank everyone who's read this post, or who know me and have put up with me, and I hope you all now understand how I feel and will decide to move on as I have.

Player of Erinenne

I see no problem with holding grudges for months.


A dark brown Zoluren marnet glances up at the stars and makes a purring sound of contentment.

Yes, I am taking it personally considering he's the only one to a. point out of hiding, b. steal enough to get caught regardless of messaging telling him of the risks of getting caught, and c. appears to solely be doing it to get on my nerves, which he has succeed in doing brilliantly, and now I want none of it. I have no problems with thieves that steal and try not to get caught, my issue is with those that do it for the sheer sadistic glee of it, regardless if they get caught or not. By the way, last time I checked, Ragran isn't even a guilded thief but a war mage, and he's the only one I've be catching routinely because he wants the attention of being caught.

I do use preventative measure, but it doesn't seem to be enough. I do train stealing. I do train perception every chance I get. I do use cheap gems, and I do use at least 1000 coppers before I grab contracts, but I still can't catch anyone to accuse them. I did use a guard once, but by the end of the run, he was bored to tears and I can't put someone through that again. And while I may seem stuck in my ways, I refuse to use a mule on guard duty because it just screams wrongness. I'm old fashioned, but I like to do things fair and square, a concept that seems to be vastly out-dated. I'm just quirky like that, but I'm digressing. If a thief can get coin or gems off of me before I notice then more power to them, but if they have to resort to tactics that will stop you from taking action or wants to get caught and get on my nerves, then that's another matter, which is what this case is about and why I did what I did.

This is not a case of me against guilded thieves but one fed-up trader against one man that wanted to pursue a conflict with me and anyone else he can annoy, and that is not how I want to role-play as explain previously. I won't warn every lint-forager I come across unless they do maliciously, so everyone else in my pockets can rest easy.

Are there any more questions, or can I please move on?

Erinenne, who's considering early retirement at this rate.

<<b. steal enough to get caught regardless of messaging telling him of the risks of getting caught>>

he's a wm. he gets no such messaging as he isn't a guilded thief.




"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."

one thing that seems to work is paying the right person for "protection" plus if hes not a thief and hes doing it i would let a decent thief know i know their guild doesn't like others muscling in on there turf now every one should know a couple of thieves time to use them to your advantage.


I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Er I was gonna go line by line, but Wighten and Schvartz (the messaging issue) made all the arguments pretty well (meet me at the bank later and you get your plats!)

Then she posted the following:

<<Ragran isn't even a guilded thief but a war mage, and he's the only one I've be catching routinely because he wants the attention of being caught.>>

I think I'm the only one you catch "routinely" (what was it 2 or 3 times in 2 weeks - considering yer a trader repeating ferry travel all day long that's lucky for you, I'd say) because thieves aren't owning areas. If they did, your job would be realistically harder as a trader, and the environment in certain areas, like ports, would make you nervous enough to expect robbery. That would be good for the adventurous spirit of your game experience. Since you just want to go from point A to point B and make IG money without any other type of gameplay, go ahead....I won't disturb you.

<<I do train stealing. I do train perception every chance I get. I do use cheap gems, and I do use at least 1000 coppers before I grab contracts, but I still can't catch anyone to accuse them.>>

You don't train near enough. There are traders that I pick at that same ferry that catch me everytime and accuse (and I cry softly each time at my repeated stupidity). I KEEP forgetting their names, and my highlight keeps failing for some reason. But there are some out there that own my skills.

<<I would probably use warn and accuse as well. Especially if like Erinenne said, she asked him to not do it several times.>> - Mole

Its funny asking a thief not to steal. You know lots of people actually RP. When you ask a thief not to steal, either you don't expect him to listen (wow you can RP!) or you do expect him to listen (you should join a hiking club rather than continue playing DR).

By the way, after you WARNed, then, after WARNing, you accused, you actually come and seek me out 20 minutes later in the cleric guild to interact with me. I was like...wow...this is the suckiest playing I've seen in a long time. I should WARN her!

:oP Ragran

<<I absolutely despise CvC stealing. It's one of the dumbest designs in DR.>>

then what pray tell would you use to check and balance?

i think its actually a pretty smart decision on simus part.



many people fight critters to earn treasure/coin, etc. their risk is getting killed by said critter.

traders go from here to there and get money for walking to and fro. the risk to that is theft.


checks and balance.


schvartz ,road hazard extraordinaire.




"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."