Barring any last minute adjustments, here's how pretend titles will work:

All Guild-only skills (Trading, Astrology, Music Theory, Empathy, Scouting), and all Magic skills will be substituted out and replaced with a skill that is a part of the Thief requirements - and don't worry, I didn't put Escaping in there. This does not necessarily mean the exact same skill rank will be required. In some cases, it will be more, some it will be the same, some it will be less. Perception (at a higher rate) was substituted for Scouting.

Skills that are more difficult for a Thief to train than their chosen pretend guild (for various reasons: skillsets, not as many ways to train, other types of penalties) have been adjusted or substituted. A few examples include Backstab being substituted for a Barbarian's primary weapon, Weapon skill being substituted for a Paladin's armor requirement, and Stealing being substituted for a Trader's Appraisal skill. Animal lore requirements for Ranger titles were changed to Scholarship, while Animal lore requirements for other guilds were left the same.

Just because we've done many substitutions doesn't mean that everything has been changed. A Thief pretending to be a Paladin will still need some armor ranks (although less than the Paladin), a Thief pretending to be a Trader will still need some appraisal ranks (again at a lower rate), a Thief pretending to be a Bard will need some skills in the instruments for some of the Bard titles, and a Thief pretending to be an Empath will still need some First Aid ranks for about half the Empath ones.

Titles that have more than just skill requirement (knowing a certain Roar/Spell/Beseech/Enchante/etc) in most cases have a Charisma requirement - so even if you do not train Charisma, or only have a token amount, you still will have access to MOST of your chosen guild's titles. Other titles have a stat requirement - those will be left the same for Thieves.

The overall objective is to allow you to use a pretend title at around the same point you can use them now. While we don't really have "title levels" (20-29th circle titles, 30-50th circle tiles), we're still aiming at a Thief being able to acquire a title one step behind their chosen guild. I think we've been successful at that for the titles that have not changed vastly from where they are now. (I and other GMs have been pulling alot of numbers from Thieves and other guilds logged in, so these should be reasonably close.)

(I am specifically not saying anything regarding thugging at the moment. You'll need to wait for that answer, so there's no point in asking now.)

GameMaster Risek
Thief Development
End User (verb): An act the Computer Support Staff wishes to carry out. (Known variant is "Disastrously End User" depending upon the magnitude of the stupidity.)

>>Damn, and I have more appraisal than stealing. Does that just make me a bad thief? grins<<

No, but you damn well better know the worth of whatever you're stealing.

GameMaster Risek
Thief Development
End User (verb): An act the Computer Support Staff wishes to carry out. (Known variant is "Disastrously End User" depending upon the magnitude of the stupidity.)

>>>>Damn, and I have more appraisal than stealing. Does that just make me a bad thief? grins<<

>>No, but you damn well better know the worth of whatever you're stealing.

::cackles:: same here, I think I have 5 ranks more in stealing than I do Appraisal, but its catching up quick..

~Dalkin~



If its got two legs and you hear a thud...don't panic...I just killed another one.


>>>>Agonar, apparently taking an uncharacteristic trip to the north, strolls by, winks at Marlena, giggles oddly to himself, and continues his journey onward.

Thats because you are a guild-rat LOL


~Deuce~

~Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

"Even In Your Darkest, Most Hellish Nightmares You Are Safe. But In Reality, Night Always Falls, And There In The Shadows, I Wait."

<<There was a time when I had more teaching then stealing...>>

i did for a long time too.... still within 10 ranks of each other.

and i still have more teach than evasion.

former guild-rat.





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A scavenger troll arrives, scouring the area.

The scavenger troll exclaims, "I dinks I like da' Moongate!"

The scavenger troll bends over and picks up the Moongate. After appraising it, the troll places the Moongate in its frayed knapsack

like i said, i was a guild-rat for a long time. wasn't with family in there. but i didn't get out and dance with stuff.



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A scavenger troll arrives, scouring the area.

The scavenger troll exclaims, "I dinks I like da' Moongate!"

The scavenger troll bends over and picks up the Moongate. After appraising it, the troll places the Moongate in its frayed knapsack

i have more evasion then teaching and stealing put together heh

Well you also have more accounts then most thieves or empaths,I have a cleric friend who has over 500 teaching cause he always has his other account with em, and thats just one other account.

you can't


Sothios Clan-Csencsits
Aesry Locksmith Union Representative

umm.. so others have a way to tell if we're a thief or not? I honestly don't know... not that there isn't plenty of other to choose from as post titles.


Sothios Clan-Csencsits
Aesry Locksmith Union Representative

level has little to do with it.. skill has more.. either way, get out there and bust your butt!!!!!


Sothios Clan-Csencsits
Aesry Locksmith Union Representative

must be your skills or stats are lacking. we can use 'em.


The following titles of the Barbarian -- Pretend category are available to you:

Initiate Barbarian, Apprentice Barbarian, Journeywoman Barbarian, Barbarian, Expert Barbarian, Master Barbarian, Grand Master Barbarian, Legendary Barbarian, Beast, Brute, Savage, Valkyrie, Berserker, Marauder, Blood Dancer, War Hawk, Dragon Fighter, Battle Rager, Sanchiren, Plunderer, Trance Warrior, Wildman, Slaughterer, Kirm Sathranit, Spirit Breaker, Rune Crusher, Wand Breaker, Spell Shunt, Mage Foil, Spell Foil, Commando, Bully, Goon, War Pup, War Dog, War Horse, Bloodbeast, Stone Warrior, Fright, Bloodboiler, Deathwind, Ironwoman, Strong Arm, Browbeater, Menace, Intimidator, Horror, Ally, Motivator, Inspirer, Vindicator, Battle Grace, Battle Hawk, Combatant, Slasher, Battle Eye, War Eye, Harrier, Tenacious, Oaken, Wrecker, Aggressor, Battle Dancer, Avenger, Death's Grace, Rampager, Blood Berserker, Stone Berserker, Nightmare Berserker, Flame Berserker, Cyclone Berserker, Iron Maiden, Steel Berserker, Wolverine, Student of Kuniyo, Boar, Student of Everild, Centaur, Student of Trothfang, Furious, Deadly, Grim, Heartbreaker, Magic Bane, Mage Bane, Vicious, Fearsome, Battler, Sapper, Battle Eye, Conscript, Whirlwind, War Painter, Asphyxiator, Neck Snapper, Back Breaker, Neck Cruncher, Cast Iron, Monster
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It's a number, it gets bigger. That's the whole DR experience right there

charisma lacking maybe? because the "expert" thing is purely circle-based.


It's a number, it gets bigger. That's the whole DR experience right there

> Aside from the fact that we can't use our pretend titles as post titles

-This- I really wish they'd change to allow, and also to a lesser extent to set a fake profession like you would SET PROFESSION, well SET FAKEPROFESSION.