So.. I noticed recently that a certain trader in Haven is openly selling Moruryn Oil on one of her tables. I'm wondering if the poison maker and the trader are being a bit too.. open? Im not too worried as the oil in question apps quite a bit lower than the results of my own highly researched and tweaked recipe.. but are we really supposed to be selling this stuff out in the open?

With the up coming changes to all crafting systems, there really is no reason to make a fuss about it. It has never been a thief only item to begin with, just a tightly kept secret on its manufacture.

Yamcer

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Why would poison be any different than lockpicks? Yes it's a guild secret HOW to make them but they should be sold freely.

Since I'm the trader selling it I thought I'd chime in as well. First off it's a RP choice to have it on the table - I know it's dangerous/wrong and welcome any/all RP associated with it.

Secondly it's also a precursor to poison being opened to everyone. I want to establish myself as a poison dealer.

Lastly I'll just address this:

>>Im not too worried as the oil in question apps quite a bit lower than the results of my own highly researched and tweaked recipe

It brought down a paladin in test with 60 stamina in 4 pulses, delivered via dart with a grazing/light hit (can't remember). It ended up destroying a vital area. A few years ago appraisal value was unmarried to poison strength (when the switch to tinctures was made I believe). If you want to kill someone you can barely hit with a ranged weapon, poison is still a great way to do it.

I did a couple tests with two paladins in test on the night it opened, entirely possible things have changed. Also it may depend what type of poison you were using. I'd be happy to log into test and throw some poison around sometime though if you want to set something up.

It could even be like a final "reveal all your poison making secrets in test before it gets completely rewritten and useless" event.

I haven't tried to make any myself, but my guess is yes it is turned off, or otherwise broken somehow.

>>With the new system of crafting however, I'm wondering if persuing this may be pointless, as thieves and necros will undoubtedly be the best at this.

That's actually kind of the opposite of crafting 3.0. Crafting poison will be determined by the alchemy skill. Necros get two bonus techs, thieves one. That's really not that huge of a difference in a crafting system if you're really choosing to focus on it (such as choosing it as a career or hobby), but it is an advantage starting out. You don't even get the bonus techs until you have trained the skill a little. A necro or thief who chooses not to spend much time training alchemy is not going to make anything exceptional compared to someone who does just because they're in that guild. And if we're comparing necros, thieves, and rangers, you're all lore tertiary all will train alchemy at an equal speed.

TL;DR - If you want to be good at making poisons as a ranger, the current plan sounds like that's possible.

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>And if we're comparing necros, thieves, and rangers, you're all lore tertiary all will train alchemy at an equal speed.

One small correction. Only rangers are lore tertiary of the three guilds mentioned there.

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>And if we're comparing necros, thieves, and rangers, you're all lore tertiary all will train alchemy at an equal speed.

Danoryiel is right. Only rangers are lore tert. Making any crafting already a chore for us. On top of this we have no provided techs in this area without choosing it as a career of some sort. This was what my mentality was considering when I said that the others would be the best. That is of course if not a single necro or thief chooses to craft them at all. There will always be an advantage. How considerable of one is it? Not sure. That is what I am trying to contemplate.

~van

>I think maybe the mech requirements went screwy or something or its looking for "alchemy" now, and I don't have any... Not sure, but I guess it's wait and see time.

Ah, you might be right. Im having about as much difficulty as you applying lately. But as you mentioned, I don't seem to recall it being this bad before. 90% sounds about right. While recent attempts have been roughly around 50. Alchemy is probably slow working its way into the equation, and since its low, its failing. Im obviously not positive about this, but it sounds like a feasible theory.

>This mentality is going away with crafting 3.0 - they will have some "advantages" in the form of extra slots (not sure that is the correct term), but they won't be the "best" without training it.

I understand what people are saying. But I think people are also undermining the system a bit. There will always be a "best", it just won't be hardwired on who that is. Im not complaining about how things work, more trying to figure out what I want to do with my path.

Crafting 3.0 will give considerable advantages to lore prime guild, even with the techs, especially outside of guild bonuses in careers. I think techs may help at lower to mid level. But at higher end, when those ranks become very hard to crank out, skillsets will play an omni present, consistent advantage. More so when you start to factor in how often one trains due to it being a hobby vs. a circle req. That's just an objective look at it.

Anyways, I'm a little off topic, sorry. Mostly I was just concerned with the drastic fail rate of application, and wondering if this was going to be the way things stayed. Hopefully not with some alchemy skill. Although, I would think something more mech or dex based would be a better suit, for applying.

~van

Actually, I could be totally mistaken, I admit. It's been a while since I've been around, so I am still figuring things out myself. With the exclusion of wall ranks, things are much more leveled out in trainability. I still have the old mentality burned into my mind of learning lore tertiary when lore had horrid walls every other rank for me. Now that they are gone, I have noticed that learning is albeit slower, but moving along. So yes, you guys are probably correct about the feasibility of all this.

~van

>While I see what you are saying, I feel the need to point out that some of the best weapon/armor makers in game are Barbs, and Paladins. This is in 3.0. It's not strictly because they have magic guild bonuses, it's because these guys rock, and put decades of time into it. So while in theory or on paper, you'd be right, in practice, oddly, it's lore terts who have become leaders.

I can agree, definitely. It's just....daunting, I suppose.

One thing I would like to point out, however. Is that with both Barbarians and Paladins, both have 3 techs to both weapon and armor smithing, respectively. This helps. But if a barbarian wanted to pursue, say, being a blacksmith, it would be a slightly different case.

Most of this all will definitely come down to desire and ambition. I am just also trying to keep in mind the reality of going with or against the flow. Which I feel is going to play a considerable role as well.


~van

>>One thing I would like to point out, however. Is that with both Barbarians and Paladins, both have 3 techs to both weapon and armor smithing, respectively. This helps. But if a barbarian wanted to pursue, say, being a blacksmith, it would be a slightly different case.

3 bonus techs helps, but it's not much in the grand scheme. It will be much more important that the people currently sitting on their 500+ mech ranks convert that all to alchemy, really.

Is mech lore going away completely, or will it have another use?

~Van

>You seem to be a bit behind the times

I mentioned earlier that I haven't been around in a while, so yes. However, I knew that mech lore was splitting into the crafts, and the overall plan. This was already being talked about before I left, and still seems to be working on coming into fruition. I was talking about the skill in general. I've heard different stories of its role turning into something else, and some saying it was just going to disappear.

I only ask because it's role as a very general skill kind of makes sense, as an overall knowledge of doing general things. I just can't see every single action falling into one of the crafts at all times. Knowledge of tailoring, doesn't exactly make you good AT tailoring. Just as knowing about music theory doesn't make you good at performing with an instrument. Plus there seems like a lot of other little odds and ends, miscellaneous skills out there. Like braiding grass? What's this, tailoring now? Maybe artistry? Or do these become automatic successes with no skill involved? Or will other checks be set into place?

~Van

I see. Thanks for the info.

~Van