For a while now I have experienced an issue with our slip ability.
When someone has empty hands and I type the syntax to slip them something I will receive a message about their number of items. Is there anyway to change/work on this issue? The only reason why I am asking is because some of the best roleplay I have ever experienced came from this verb i.e. Slipping a young thief a sparkling new weapon to help them or a rose to someone who needs their day to be extra special


It would be great to have this ability have a little more function, again. After all an empty hand is an empty hand. With how slip functions now, based off items on the other person, it's a almost a rare ability to use which is sad.

Thank you so much for your time and effort,

~nid

I am not sure if it is a specific bug or more of a conflict with the item limit coding affecting the ability.

I> slip xxxx rose hand

xxxx is carrying far too many items already.

^And to further investigate it- I think I tried around 20-25 characters and could only slip to one. Most of which were friends. I didn't collect inventory counts on everyone but I guess I could have and can later if needed. But they all had empty hands.

While I can understand the logic of slipping multiple items into a bag and the possibility of corrupting a player.... I don't think one item into a hand would pose any problems here.

You would only be limited to slipping 2 items if both hands are empty.

I get the lack of congruency with not being able to slip something into a hand that Nideaya is pointing out.

Rifkinn

As someone who plays several F2P players, 100 item count is restrictive enough that whenever a thief slips me a piece of junk it is a real pain. I don't carry any fluff items on me, but due to crafting tools I generally sit at around 90 items without boxes, and can verge on heading to the junk room with them on me. With concerted effort I can bring that number down to about 80-85 or so, but it requires a lot of diligence. I'm very gladdened to know there is a restriction on thieves being able to add to that count. Someone randomly slipped me a rose several weeks ago before enchanting came out when I was around 75-80 items and I stopped hanging out in public areas for a week because of it.

I appreciate so much all the comments and everyone bringing to the table their views on the ability.

But I do feel the prevention of junkyard griefing is doable by closing containers and not having the stow <right/left> set.
I think the snake pit at HE causes more junkyard griefing (lol) but wait.... the loot is just soo good. Not to mention spam in the death window....

For a guild to have a basically muted ability seems a little extreme and unthiefy - there was so much potential RP. And there are policies set which can cause the suspension of the ability in general.
Max slips to hands --- are 2 (right and left) to much slipping to containers sends a message of a shift in weight.

So... there's really not much of threat if you're atk.

Over the years, I've been slipped roses, a few armor pieces, weapons, gems, jewelry, notes, cards - etc. In one case, I was slipped evidence in a crime - which was pretty funny, shocking but funny.

As for the corruption of the f2p players I feel for them and their fleet of 10 or 20 characters per person … I think there is a bit more of abuse in having that many free characters … than a young thief, fool enough to risk outing themselves by putting grass in your hand …

Anyway, have a great day,

And thanks for the feedback.

And lets get it fixed back to normal! purdy please!!!

It sounds like it was an inconvenience. It also sounds like it was the 1 mandolin offender vs a whole guild :(

I would just love to have the ability be more global like it was for years. If the goal is really to prevent corruption than I think a timer is fine if that's the way it has to be. It's better than whole ability basically being muted. I would happily take being able to slip hands normally and a timer for packs.

As for someone doing that to others during an event/quest, that's just a poor judgement call. It can get really get the offender in so much more trouble than it's worth.
I can definitely understand the view point on its connection to griefing and I am truly sorry if it effects people in such an inconveniencing emotional way.
I've always viewed it pretty harmless. When I've played on my characters and had the same experience it made me watch the area more - and catch the little rat. lol.

thanks again for your feedback,

FWIW, slip wasn't nerfed for the sake of nerfing slip, since that's where this discussion's assumption seems to be heading. Slip was restricted to respect inventory counts at the same time that multiple verbs were updated to respect inventory counts around when F2P was released. There's nothing unique about slip that should circumvent that. You can still slip to people who are below the inventory threshold just fine. I was slipped something while carrying around ~75 items out of a max 100, so there's a decently large window on it. I've since bumped up to around 90 items, so I doubt I could be slipped to anymore. It's just that with so many free accounts running around with very limited inventories, you're probably bumping into those with near full inventories more often than not. 100 items is not a lot of room to begin with.