Try filling an orb at 40 or 50 favors, and then make that assumption about the hour long hunts, it gets CRAZY how much experience you have to feed into an orb after a while before its satisfied. Not justifying things in either direction, but 15 favors is a drop in the bucket.

Its not really 'needed' unless you're planning on some RP that might put your count to a bit of a test and you're doing a little bit of prep work before hand. I've dropped 15-20 favors in an evening of PVP and RP that resulted in me getting kicked all over Therengia, much of which would've been missed if I hadn't put in the little bit of extra effort over a couple of days prior. To each their own I suppose?

Well, since this is the complaints folder, and not the conflicts folder (although each folder becomes a battlefield because of opposing views), my big complaint is still that person A's mere presence in a hunting ground should have no impact on person B's critter spawn rate. If that was fixed, we wouldn't be having these discussions. No one can get all self righteous and tell people not to dance with 4 critters, because we've all done it. 4 minutes? 6 minutes? 10 minutes? 60 minutes? What makes your time correct? At any given time, I may need to dance, kill, poach, etc. Heck, it's taken me fornever to lock hiding and a bow, with 1 critter spawning at a time, poaching, because the guy next door has 4 to dance with. Do I complain? Of course. Do I know what he's doing because I do the same thing? Of course. Please fix spawn across the board in such a way that other bodies in the area will not hurt the rates of generation for other bodies in the area. And I don't want to hear the cheesy 3.0 should fix that because it'll be dangerous to take on more than 1 at a time malarky.




Squanto: think they'll make it so we can swim to the islands?
Codiax: probably not but who knows
Squanto: maybe moonwalk faster on the iceroad with enough reflex, athletics & xibar up?
Codiax: lol yeah totally. have to sing ice ice baby to make it work

Excellent observations Squanto, I think that really is the lynchpin behind this entire thread. Apart from debating the myriad of ways the player(s) can try and get around low spawn areas and mechanics why not address the real problem, wildly varying spawn levels between creatures and mechanics which rely upon other players to increase the spawn rate.

The entire spire area has had spawn problems for a very long time considering the amount of longevity that area has. The most common complaint about 'critter hogging' seems to come from that area. Speaking from experience, the only time I've ever had any complaint about 'critter hogging the area too long' was in the corral, and it happened a lot.

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When naming your holy weapon consider the following: Everyone has a Holy Avenger or a Divine Vengeance. Why not go with something your foes will never accept the shame of being smote by, "The Fuzzy Kitten".

<<If I'm hunting in intercessors and the empath that hunts there is also hunting there, we'll have 6-8 intercessors spawning, but if they spawn in her room she can manipulate them and keep 5-7 in her room leaving the one trickling in.>>

it sounds to me then that its a problem with manipulation. I don't know how they code it, but possibly they could have 2 different toggles - one for friend/foe, the other for spawn...

I.e. IFCritter = Manip = Friend, BUT
if Critter Not Dead <friend or foe>, still Don'tCreateMoreCritters in room.

The problem seems to be how the system treats a manipulated critter when deciding to create more critters or not. This same situation does NOT exist with playercreated things - i.e. IndeadzombieInRoom doesn't automatically create more spawn in necros room - perhaps the empath manipulated critter could borrow from zombiecode.





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Leucius

> Keep in mind that if every hunting ground is set to "4 x players all the time" it makes it much harder to move form hunting are to hunting area, forcing people to stay in older hunting areas much longer than is intended.

Then it would be nice if the areas which were set to lower rates took that philosophy further; if the area only spawns 3 per player, then only 3 should be willing to advance on a player. Make it impossible for a player to tie up more spawn than they contribute.

>Keep in mind that if every hunting ground is set to "4 x players all the time" it makes it much harder to move form hunting are to hunting area, forcing people to stay in older hunting areas much longer than is intended.

I don't think people really move out of hunting grounds until they can handle 4 critters in their new place though. I haven't hunted non-swarmy critters in ages, and when one starts slowing down, I just look for the next slightly more difficult swarmy critter. I can't imagine too many other people do it terribly differently.

I agree to an extent.. Skillset placement is going to do a LOT for how long you have to 'dance' in critters. As a survival prime, even starting and usually ending combat locking my defenses, I have a gap of almost 200 ranks between my evasion and shield/parry. I'm sure I'll be sitting in head-splitters MUCH longer than I'm looking forward to simply because I wont be able to move up to assassins solely based on my evasion.

Outside of moving to the islands, which sucks for boxes, there isnt really much else that can be done in this situation to avoid dancing for an hour or more that I'm aware of. Any suggestions?


Tangent: I've moved up hunting areas any time I was able to finally hide and stalk to melee on a critter mostly because it DOES get boring to just stand there at melee and watch pools fill. Soon as I can start hitting assassins I guess I'll be dying there too, heh.

<<If there were 4x players at all times, maybe there'd be a lot less milking... er, I mean dancing! Let's face it, dancing for LONG periods of time, other than the favor orb here or there, is just a sign of milking and time to move on (unless you've hit the top critter and they barely train you).>>

This is basically the truth, at least as I've experienced it.

My prime main character, a thief, I'm basically "stuck" as far as the critter ladder is concerned, if I ever go back to seriously training her again -- Because I never did much dancing with her. Stealth is totally way over her defenses. with her offenses better than defenses, but I'll still have to do backtraining after 3.0 because her top 2 weapons are ME and LE - which are combining. Plus Defending is going to be tert for her - rather than the multi which is now secondary - while I've basically gone to whatever critter dropped boxes, swarm or not.

On the other hand, my main char now in plat, a necro, I do plenty of dancing - because I can train magic with her, plus I've trained her "barb-style" in not just sticking to one weapon <her main is 2he.> But I've also trained with swarmables and skinnables. So she's in a much better position, but still needs work on her mundane killing skills. Because although she has the evasion <and the skinning> for celepeze, she still can't take down a DP zealot without a great deal of time and effort.





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Leucius

Hanafae is an Empath, Korutu a Barbarian and Scandi is a Ranger.

I think that's a cool adventuring group.

Their not even tying down 4x their numbers.
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I've dealt with a very similar situation myself and no, One isn't an Empath.. I see similar stacks, depending on how many are in their group. It seems that because the room has "more" players in it, critters are more likely to spawn or wander into their room, than another. So even tho one of them is actually killing stuff, it ends up adversely effecting surrounding rooms. Watching via "hunt" it appears that they are just dancing(or feint/feint/feint-ing), but they are in fact killing, as slow as they may be, and I believe the spawn is maintaining due to their group "bonus". I haven't walked into the "adventurers'" room to watch/investigate/complain, but I have seen the effects of spells, thrown weapons on the ground & dead critters.

Based off 3 different days of logs where I'm HUNTing every 75 seconds I'm going to say No, dead critters don't appear using HUNT.

>>>Based off 3 different days of logs where I'm HUNTing every 75 seconds I'm going to say No, dead critters don't appear using HUNT

can a GM do a script check on this guy and his related accounts? and maybe on pretty much anyone logged in for more than 24 hours?

It might even help solve that issue with the never ending supply of plats covered in the main folder...

tanx

Just reminded me- I was in giants last night and had 4 giants on me, and the gentleman next door yelled and asked if I would kill one.

So I did. Well actually all of them. I had locked Parry/shield/evasion and was thinking of holding out to lock MO, but I really don't care about MO anymore. So I instead switched to the much more fun destroy all mode.

Anyway- sometimes simply asking works.

>dead critters do appear on hunt

>I can't recall, but don't dead critters appear on HUNT, sans a 'dead' adjective?

Left out the sans when I read that, my mistake. The dead appear as living with HUNT.