There is a barb or two who for some reason find it a good battle tactic to go outside the gate, where there are other defenders, sometimes give half-assed warning, sometimes not, and roar. This not only roots the enemy to the spot, it effectively renders any defender a sitting duck for enemies popping in and out (velvers). You want to go out and slaughter the invaders, fine, but at least have the intelligence and courtesy NOT to get other people killed who are trying to do the same thing. Use your head!


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I'm not very familiar with roars - if the barb were to grab everyone there into his group, would they still be hurt by the roar?

Velvers been attacking? Where was this?

Roaring in the middle of a battle is a good way to get people killed unless your joined to them. Not smart and they should be pulled aside and given the what-for. Like they would care anyway.

Jayrbee

Last night in Haven. It was a multi-tiered attack with increasingly difficult waves, with velvers and hafwas being at the end. And while it was great to have the higher level guys go out and help, the roaring caused problems.

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>It would be nice if there was a "hold all" command that grabbed everyone in the room into your group who didn't have avoids on.

Posted alone so it can be recognized and implemented.

Good idea, Leika.

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Usually you need the group to be able to roar something like a Greater Skeleton.

No, Navak, the skellies hadn't shown up yet, was just the velvers at the time. And I most certainly was not slow on the uptake, myself and a couple others were trying to drag stunned/unconscious people back thru the gate. It seemed as tho the roar only momentarily stopped the velvers, but left other defenders rooted to the spot, and as in your case, helpless.
It was as a result of this careless behavior we withdrew altogether, attempting instead to track down Alamgir. We figured it was safer to chase him than risk being left as velver pin cushions again.
Jayrbee, there were velvers at the north gate of Haven last night. Afterwards Haven was then treated to the greater skeletons. Seems Alamgir is stirring up quite a mess lately.


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Is the Alamgir connection confirmed on this latest attack?


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>>Hold all would be way too prone to abuse.

I thought of that when I suggested it, but decided the potential benefits outweighed the potential abuse. Since it would only work on people that hold normally works on (those without avoids on, not in another group, visible) and could only move people normally moveable in groups (standing up, not stunned, not in RT) it would be fairly easy to avoid. The only situation I could see it being easily abused would be for PvP, and even then it would have to be a very specific set of circumstances:

-large group of people present
-most of them being hold-able (that is, not expecting a barb to attack, becuase if they expected it they'd just throw on the avoids)
-the person you want to attack present (if they know a barb is after them, they would not likely hang out in areas crowded with people they don't know)
-"hold all" and then disband the person you wanted to roar

And even in this case, a short script can already accomplish much the same thing in only a tiny bit more time.

There were no assasins present at that time, not even the greater skeletons at that point. Only the velvers. Sure, there are situations were it wouldn't be wise to waste time on a warning, however this was not one of them. Also, the leader of the group that people were told to join was himself frozen by one of those roars.
There's also the issue that almost constantly in invasion situations people form groups, not for protection from a roar, but to continue to persue the enemy. So it is perfectly reasonable for people to not jump into a group of folks they aren't familiar with. The "warning" that was given was unclear as such (most people wouldn't take "join so-n-so's group" as meaning they are about to be exposed to an area affect), and on at least one of the instances wasn't given at all. The roar put lives unnecessarily at risk, and to my mind, at least, was done for the sole purpose of grandstanding on the part of the barbarian, everyone else be damned.
CL, for the record, no longer randomly targets people in the room, unless deliberately cast that way. It only works on enemies in the room. Fire Rain can be controlled by the caster. Most bards I've seen use area affects that help their allies, not hurt them. Any area affect has it's use, and in some cases loss of life among allies cannot be helped IF the invading force warrants its use. It boils down to common sense. If you step thru the gate and see 1 or 2 velvers (and I believe a few invasion gobbies) and 4-5 defenders, where does it make sense to roar (or use any area affect)? You might as well cut down the defenders yourself.


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Assassins = Enemy GMNPCs. They will not give warning and they should not. Not that difficult to figure out. It's extremely simple to follow someone when asked. If warning is given and not taken to simply follow a group, than you compromise your character's life.

<<Until there are actual benefits to joining a group, I shouldnt have to join a group to survive one person's ill advised AoE.>>

There are benefits of joining a group. It's called working together for survival and to defeat a group of creatures. 4 years ago with the combat system, perhaps it would not have mattered of group combat, but it will matter in combat very much presently (and from the past few years).

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>There are benefits of joining a group. It's called working together for survival and to defeat a group of creatures. 4 years ago with the combat system, perhaps it would not have mattered of group combat, but it will matter in combat very much presently (and from the past few years).

The only benefit for being in a group now is if some idiot in your group (however you define group) decides to roar and immobilize/kill those not in the group (however you define group). Other than that, there is no advantage to being joined to a mass of people. Secondly, seeing as how there are many different factions, orders, and military units there is no way everyone will join one big group (however you define group).

If you want to use roars to actually help your group (however you define group) and not get others killed, then learn some battle cries.

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It bounces harmlessly off his chest!
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>As a bard, the only offensive enchante that I prefer is Resolve, but it is a room effect one that cause havok to those not in your group. What I do is chant a clear warning with directions like:

Well, I guess that makes it alright when it gets other players killed.

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>>Area effects do have their uses, and accepted risks, dependant on the enemy present. They should be saved for the worst of the bunch, not wasted on relatively small enemies.<<

The point isn't and shouldn't be the size of the critter.

I doubt anyone negatively hit by the 'area affect' would agree it was an accepted risk either.

Someone chanting 'join me' doesn't say anything about it's intent beyond 'join me' either.

You want folks to know you're going to roar yell you're going to roar and say anyone wanting to leave for a quick half rois do so

If you're clear and precise with your intent.. how can anyone mistake it.